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peekakilla #41 Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:16 AM

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double bushes my man.........and no is not an 80 porn's title, but a game mechanic :trollface:

Gremlin182 #42 Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:45 AM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 10 July 2018 - 03:52 PM, said:

 

No just fix it so LT's always outspot a TD. its supposed to be there dam job. you know. to balance the fact my EVEN90 ahs 900 effing hitpoints? 380 vierange on a tier 8 light? no armor? horrific acceleration? endless list...oh 175pen? tier 1 DPM? 7 day aimtime?

 

Didn't you get the message from Wargaming that's not true any longer.

They did nerf the View ranges of TDs except for the premium ones. and while some Light tanks have extremely good view ranges there are high tier mediums that have the best.

 

What light tanks have is the same camo on the move as stationary, I have the even 90 its got extremely good camo he must have had a really good crew to spot you or your approach was spotted.

Could also have been a I am spotted says the TDs sixth sense and there is only one piece of cover he can be in.

Blind firing such bushes is common.

 

100% crew fine did you also have recon skill Situational awareness Brothers in arms improved ventilation coated optics and or Binoculars because its quite possible the TD player did.

 

Don't have my even 90 set up for passive spotting so I use Vents Coated Optics and Stabiliser. got my view range up to 448 and camo rating to 44 Do get spotted but not often.

If it had a faster clip reload or better acceleration it would be one of my favourite light tanks,



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View PostEmeraldweed, on 10 July 2018 - 04:11 PM, said:

 

something tells me it was an STRV .. those are my bane

 

They are my bane too, I never do well in mine, a hard TD to play and dependant on which map you get.

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 10 July 2018 - 03:52 PM, said:

 

No just fix it so LT's always outspot a TD. its supposed to be there dam job. you know. to balance the fact my EVEN90 ahs 900 effing hitpoints? 380 vierange on a tier 8 light? no armor? horrific acceleration? endless list...oh 175pen? tier 1 DPM? 7 day aimtime?

 

If it's so bad, why do you play it?

 

View Postazakow, on 10 July 2018 - 05:26 PM, said:

OMG you again, same old crapevery other week.

The problem is at the keyboard!

 

 

This

 

View PostSearch_Warrant, on 10 July 2018 - 05:56 PM, said:

know whats worse than whiner? whiners whining about whiners. pretty hypocritical

 

So you admit that you're a whiner? K

 

View PostSearch_Warrant, on 11 July 2018 - 12:30 AM, said:

 

LT's should have had the ability to burn threw bushes since day 1. how the hell did WG even think of these free snacks as a "scout" when they damwell know LT's can never see threw bushes or outspot anything with the current crappy spotting system. when my 900hp gets smacked by a TD sitting less than 100m in front of me and remains unspotted. in down a huge chunk of hitpoints and nothing to show for it.

 

Read this pls

and this


Edited by mjs_89, 11 July 2018 - 03:03 AM.


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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 10 July 2018 - 06:13 PM, said:

 

No thats the best part. he was litreally less than 100 meters from me when he was spotted a few seconds later. thats the real kicker.

 

Oh you won't believe that,the other day I spotted a T-100 LT in my Obj.416 on Prokhorovka on Line 2; guess what,nobody spotted him the whole game,when he was in one of those bushes next to the magical E1 bush,when i reverse-advanced slowly to enemies for assist,and guess what,this little boi just lights up with 50m autospot. (Because you know,I have a 5 skill crew here). I Pm'd him after the game,and we both must have ridiculously laughed about it. Too bad I didn't save the replay.

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Probably a Swedish TD, they have broken camo which WG just refuses to fix. It's quite common to get outspotted by them even in high tier light tanks and get shot at without spotting them in return. Of course this is totally balanced and not broken at all.

 

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Let's just consider pros and cons of Swedish TDs, T8 as an example....

Great view range, think mine has a potential of 490m.

Great camo, some 68%, whatever that means, and as a bonus doesn't lose camo net and binos when traversing.

Fast to relocate, potential of 70kph forward and 50 backwards.

Dont mind taking on T9 & 10s as gun is accurate and has great pen, up to 330mm if I dab 2 key.

So onto the cons then....

No armour, if you hit the hull with a hammer you will loose 20% of your HP,  bit of an exaggeration but armour is only 20mm. Yes nicely sloped but don't bounce to many shots.

Can't fire on the move, not unless extremely close range.

Takes 2 seconds to enter/exit siege mode, if spotted those 2 seconds can cause a quick return to garage.

 

Camo and view range is the main strength of this tank, often use mine as a spotter when others can't or unwilling to. 

Broke no you just have to use it's strengths.

 

 



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View Postjack_timber, on 11 July 2018 - 07:37 AM, said:

Let's just consider pros and cons of Swedish TDs, T8 as an example....

Great view range, think mine has a potential of 490m.

Great camo, some 68%, whatever that means, and as a bonus doesn't lose camo net and binos when traversing.

Fast to relocate, potential of 70kph forward and 50 backwards.

Dont mind taking on T9 & 10s as gun is accurate and has great pen, up to 330mm if I dab 2 key.

So onto the cons then....

No armour, if you hit the hull with a hammer you will loose 20% of your HP,  bit of an exaggeration but armour is only 20mm. Yes nicely sloped but don't bounce to many shots.

Can't fire on the move, not unless extremely close range.

Takes 2 seconds to enter/exit siege mode, if spotted those 2 seconds can cause a quick return to garage.

 

Camo and view range is the main strength of this tank, often use mine as a spotter when others can't or unwilling to. 

Broke no you just have to use it's strengths.

 

 

 

If you can't be spotted, even if you fire, you will not receive damage, it's very simple.

It takes *FAR* too long for light tanks to even spot these TD's from tier 8 upwards which is completely ret@rded.

 

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Mannanan #49 Posted 11 July 2018 - 09:57 AM

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View Postunhappy_bunny, on 10 July 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

Well at least is isnt like arty. Against the TD you can counter it and shoot back.  Oh wait. You couldnt. 

 

He likely could.

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View PostCobra6, on 11 July 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

 

If you can't be spotted, even if you fire, you will not receive damage, it's very simple.

It takes *FAR* too long for light tanks to even spot these TD's from tier 8 upwards which is completely ret@rded.

 

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Easy fix would be to take away their ability to keep camo nets and binos active when turning.

 

In general they just need to rework them a bit, I love(d) to play my strv's very aggressive against smaller guns, but in a lot of matchups you just have to be "that guy" sitting in the back sniping. It's not engaging gameplay for the td or the one's facing it.



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View PostMimos_A, on 11 July 2018 - 09:11 AM, said:

 

Easy fix would be to take away their ability to keep camo nets and binos active when turning.

 

In general they just need to rework them a bit, I love(d) to play my strv's very aggressive against smaller guns, but in a lot of matchups you just have to be "that guy" sitting in the back sniping. It's not engaging gameplay for the td or the one's facing it.

 

This would be a good thing, just like any vehicle moving the equipment needs to demount when they do if they want to retain this massive base-camp value.

It's nothing like a TD with a turret as they have lower base-camo to begin with.

 

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View PostMannanan, on 11 July 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

 

He likely could.

 

He maybe could have done IF he had seen it, but he didnt see it until after it killed him, so in this particular incident, he couldnt. 

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View PostJumping_TurtIe, on 10 July 2018 - 05:25 PM, said:

And no one asked for a replay yet ? You guys disappoint me ...

 



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View PostCobra6, on 11 July 2018 - 06:52 AM, said:

Probably a Swedish TD, they have broken camo which WG just refuses to fix. It's quite common to get outspotted by them even in high tier light tanks and get shot at without spotting them in return. Of course this is totally balanced and not broken at all.

 

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yeh a Swed TD. but when i use mine i fire and get lit from orbit even behind a solid bush. i even did some testing (with waffle) and a RHM TD with a camonet in a bush required my highest viewrange LT (T92) to proximity detect him inside a bush in order to spot him!.

 

What the hell is WG playing at? how did they ever thing a LT was meant for spotting in the first place?


Edited by Search_Warrant, 11 July 2018 - 11:30 AM.


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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 11 July 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

 

yeh a Swed TD. but when i use mine i fire and get lit from orbit even behind a solid bush. i even did some testing (with waffle) and a RHM TD with a camonet in a bush required my highest viewrange LT (T92) to proximity detect him inside a bush in order to spot him!.

 

What the hell is WG playing at? how did they ever thing a LT was meant for spotting in the first place?

 

So a LT is supposed to spot, but a TD is not supposed to hide and ambush?

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 10 July 2018 - 04:50 PM, said:

 

It was the last tank alive. hurrdurr.

 

You crossed some open field, while he was  full camo with camo net, Binoc's on,  sitting in a bush. And he was smart enough to hold the shot  until there where 2 bushes between him and you.

Park most of the LT's in a bush, and if you don't fire and have good crew you can only get proxy spotted most of the time, fair game if you ask me. 



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View Postazakow, on 10 July 2018 - 04:26 PM, said:

OMG you again, same old crapevery other week.

The problem is at the keyboard!

 

 



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 11 July 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

 

yeh a Swed TD. but when i use mine i fire and get lit from orbit even behind a solid bush. i even did some testing (with waffle) and a RHM TD with a camonet in a bush required my highest viewrange LT (T92) to proximity detect him inside a bush in order to spot him!.

 

What the hell is WG playing at? how did they ever thing a LT was meant for spotting in the first place?

 

You complain that arty kills when you drive your LT. You complain when TD kill you when you drive your LT. Have you considered maybe light tanks aren't really your thing?

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 10 July 2018 - 11:30 PM, said:

 

LT's should have had the ability to burn threw bushes since day 1. how the hell did WG even think of these free snacks as a "scout" when they damwell know LT's can never see threw bushes or outspot anything with the current crappy spotting system. when my 900hp gets smacked by a TD sitting less than 100m in front of me and remains unspotted. in down a huge chunk of hitpoints and nothing to show for it.
 

 

Think you mean ARTY. but to be fair FV (*edited*barn) and the deathstar can splash you with arty rounds and do that too. WG lied about removing arty. they never cared about customer happyness and will continue to spit in our faces.
 

 

I agree with the first paragraph.

 

As for the second, yesterday I had a fateful meeting with the HESHbarn on my poor AMX 13 90:

 

Me - Stage II good?

430U - Affirmative

Me - rgr

*FV4005 spotted*

FV4005 - 1200

Vehicle destroyed by a shot - FV4005 - X

430U - See?

Me - Indeed!

 

SPGs lack the accuracy and pen to do such a thing. If all else fails, then don't have the alpha to one-shot-kill a LT unless it has already been shot. SPGs are just bad news for dying LTs, at least in my experience.

 

TDs will always deal that damage if they connect a shot.



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No replay yet? Bs thread.




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