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Drumefy #1 Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:31 PM

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This time I am infuriated.

 

The penetration in this game is something that is not bound by any rules or logic at times!

We're all used to those random non-pens and bounces, but this is too far!

 

Please see the attached replay. In the end, before I die, I shoot twice at a KV-1 with Ikv 90B's top gun, which has  the average of 210mm penetration.

Two shots in a row do not penetrate. The thickest armor KV-1 could possibly have is around 140mm at the top of the gun mantlet.

 

What the hell is that supposed to be? 210mm of penetration not going through 100mm of armor? Are you kidding me?

 

Can anyone explain this absolute ridiculousness?


Edited by Drumefy, 10 July 2018 - 04:58 PM.


Xandania #2 Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:37 PM

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Where is the replay? Ö.ö - I might be blind.

 

There are several options here, most have to do with angles - not the ones that invaded Britain with the Saxons, just the geometric ones.

High angles on a surface mean more way to go through.

Also there is RNG, which mean your shell might pen more armor or fail to pen less.

Lastly there is a fallof from range - the longer the shell travels, the more thrust is loses.

 

All these points are taken into account by the game.

 



MeetriX #3 Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:37 PM

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Low rolls and invisible replays are problem, but what can we do about them?

 

"The thickest armor KV-1 could possibly have is around 140mm at the top of the gun mantlet."

Don't you mean 810mm?


Edited by MeetriX, 10 July 2018 - 04:40 PM.


Dorander #4 Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:40 PM

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Your shots have 210 mm average penetration at 100 metres. Both AP and APCR lose penetration by distance travelled, the effect is greater on APCR rounds. That perhaps with the angle you hit the KV-1 at may do the trick.

 

Alternatively you did not fail to penetrate, but you ricochet instead. Hard to say anything conclusively without that replay though so if you could upload it to wotreplays and provide a link, people can look.



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View PostDrumefy, on 10 July 2018 - 04:31 PM, said:

Can anyone explain this absolute ridiculousness?

 

Don't camp redline....

Suurpolskija #6 Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:43 PM

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You should try penetration from behind. 

 

Some people like it better. 



Steve8066 #7 Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:48 PM

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View PostDrumefy, on 10 July 2018 - 04:31 PM, said:

This time I am infuriated.

 

The penetration in this game is something that is not bound by any rules or logic at times!

We're all used to those random non-pens and bounces, but this is too far!

 

Please see the attached replay. In the end, before I die, I shoot twice at a KV-1 with Ikv 90B's top gun, which has  the average of 210mm penetration.

Two shots in a row do not penetrate. The thickest armor KV-1 could possibly have is around 140mm at the top of the gun mantlet.

 

What the hell is that supposed to be? 210mm of penetration not going through 100mm of armor? Are you kidding me?

 

Can anyone explain this absolute ridiculousness?

 

as i cant see the replay, what was the score outcome of the battle? If it was a defeat of between 15-0 to 15-5ish then its a standard battle where 1 side can pen and 1 side, for want of a better word, isnt allowed to pen or gets low rolls everytime. Obviously thats not the reason for every ROFLstomp, but its the cause of a few. I still cant figure out if its deliberate or if its just something that happens and WG dont know why.

Drumefy #8 Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:59 PM

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Cannot find a way to attach the replay, and I'm not gonna (register and) upload it to any platform just to attach it here.

 

The KV-1 was less than 100 meters from me, standing sideways at ~90 degrees, its turret aiming straight at me.



AliceUnchained #9 Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:05 PM

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View PostDrumefy, on 10 July 2018 - 04:31 PM, said:

What the hell is that supposed to be? 210mm of penetration not going through 100mm of armor? Are you kidding me?

 

You either hit armor at a highly oblique impact angle, or some external module. Furthermore, that 210 mm average penetration can dip as low as 153,75 mm.

 

View PostDrumefy, on 10 July 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

Cannot find a way to attach the replay, and I'm not gonna (register and) upload it to any platform just to attach it here.

 

Seriously? Try wotreplays...

 



Nethraniel #10 Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:05 PM

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View PostDrumefy, on 10 July 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

Cannot find a way to attach the replay, and I'm not gonna (register and) upload it to any platform just to attach it here.

 

The KV-1 was less than 100 meters from me, standing sideways at ~90 degrees, its turret aiming straight at me.

Wotreplays.com can be used with your WG ID. Else you can only upload you replay via file hoster services and link it here.

We will not be able to give you a good answer without it. 



Jigabachi #11 Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:18 PM

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Drumefy #12 Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:29 PM

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Here:

http://wotreplays.eu...e/4439485#stats



xx984 #13 Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:32 PM

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View PostDrumefy, on 10 July 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

140mm at the top of the gun mantlet.

 

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 10 July 2018 - 03:43 PM, said:

 

Don't camp redline....

 

Just a note on a side....i love Clint Eastwood's movies, both he played in and those he directed. New generation is loosing that masculine power :), i mean more cry barbies walk around.

 

HF

 



Cannes76 #15 Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:42 PM

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View PostSteve8066, on 10 July 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

 

as i cant see the replay, what was the score outcome of the battle? If it was a defeat of between 15-0 to 15-5ish then its a standard battle where 1 side can pen and 1 side, for want of a better word, isnt allowed to pen or gets low rolls everytime. Obviously thats not the reason for every ROFLstomp, but its the cause of a few. I still cant figure out if its deliberate or if its just something that happens and WG dont know why.

 

Did you by any chance accidentally eat your own tinfoil hat?

AliceUnchained #16 Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:46 PM

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View PostDrumefy, on 10 July 2018 - 05:29 PM, said:

 

Have you watched it yourself? As then you could have refrained from creating this topic. From the looks of it you ricochet from the side turret twice. While the first one is bad luck, the second you attempted not even fully aimed with the gunner injured...

Edited by AliceUnchained, 10 July 2018 - 05:46 PM.


Search_Warrant #17 Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:59 PM

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Meh, just bounced a 420 HEAT round off a totally balanced Super Conq. you know a tanks balanced when it can casually eat a god dam 420 HEAT round.

Edited by Search_Warrant, 10 July 2018 - 05:59 PM.


AliceUnchained #18 Posted 10 July 2018 - 07:20 PM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 10 July 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:

Meh, just bounced a 420 HEAT round off a totally balanced Super Conq. you know a tanks balanced when it can casually eat a god dam 420 HEAT round.

 

Try not to hit those spaced armor skirts on the sides of the turret. Or any other spaced armor. You know, basic game knowledge and common sense...

Search_Warrant #19 Posted 10 July 2018 - 07:40 PM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 10 July 2018 - 06:20 PM, said:

 

Try not to hit those spaced armor skirts on the sides of the turret. Or any other spaced armor. You know, basic game knowledge and common sense...

 

sounds like 90% of a Sconq..

Bordhaw #20 Posted 10 July 2018 - 08:31 PM

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View PostDrumefy, on 10 July 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

This time I am infuriated.

 

The penetration in this game is something that is not bound by any rules or logic at times!

We're all used to those random non-pens and bounces, but this is too far!

 

Please see the attached replay. In the end, before I die, I shoot twice at a KV-1 with Ikv 90B's top gun, which has  the average of 210mm penetration.

Two shots in a row do not penetrate. The thickest armor KV-1 could possibly have is around 140mm at the top of the gun mantlet.

 

What the hell is that supposed to be? 210mm of penetration not going through 100mm of armor? Are you kidding me?

 

Can anyone explain this absolute ridiculousness?

 

It was ONE battle...





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