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Historical question: was the Type 61 ever armed with the 105mm L7?


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anonym_ONf4riLfS6sJ #1 Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:08 AM

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I was recently getting into the history of japanese vehicles. The thing is: I couldn't really find any source on the Type 61 being armed with the 105mm. Do you people have any info on that?

Enforcer1975 #2 Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:11 AM

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Like on many tanks many top guns were never mounted irl.

Xandania #3 Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:12 AM

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According to aunt wiki its standard cannon was 90 millimeter. Although it does not speak about modifications of the experimental versions leading to the Type 74.

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Nope.

 

The Type 61 was armed with a 90mm gun, although the model itself varied a bit during the early stages of it's development, I.E STA-X series. In the end of 60's, the Type 61 was already outdated, so Japan tried to quickly replace it with a far more advanced design, which led to the STB-1 prototype, later entering production as Type 74. STB-1 was armed with a 105 mm gun.

 

105 mm L7 sounds like a logical quick solution to make the Type 61 slightly less outdated, so it does make sense somewhat for it to have it in-game. However, Type 61 was never armed or even meant to be armed with 105 mm L7, since they wanted to introduce a new tank design as soon as possible (and the Type 74 itself also ended up being outdated quickly after its introduction). 

 

Type 61 has the 105 mm in-game solely so that it can be a tier 9 vehicle. Back in 2013, Type 74 was considered to be "too new", so STB-1 was chosen to be the tier 10. Because of this, Type 61 had to be a tier 9. Nowadays, though, 1975 is not too new anymore, since we have tanks from even later dates (M48A5 is late 70's modification). With this in the mind, the STA-1, Type 61 and STB-1 could all be downtiered with Type 74 added to tier 10.


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The Swiss Pz 58 'mutz' got equipped with the 105 as Pz 61. Kinda similar tanks.

WindSplitter1 #6 Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:37 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 12 July 2018 - 08:47 AM, said:

Nope.

 

The Type 61 was armed with a 90mm gun, although the model itself varied a bit during the early stages of it's development, I.E STA-X series. In the end of 60's, the Type 61 was already outdated, so Japan tried to quickly replace it with a far more advanced design, which led to the STB-1 prototype, later entering production as Type 74. STB-1 was armed with a 105 mm gun.

 

105 mm L7 sounds like a logical quick solution to make the Type 61 slightly less outdated, so it does make sense somewhat for it to have it in-game. However, Type 61 was never armed or even meant to be armed with 105 mm L7, since they wanted to introduce a new tank design as soon as possible (and the Type 74 itself also ended up being outdated quickly after its introduction). 

 

Type 61 has the 105 mm in-game solely so that it can be a tier 9 vehicle. Back in 2013, Type 74 was considered to be "too new", so STB-1 was chosen to be the tier 10. Because of this, Type 61 had to be a tier 9. Nowadays, though, 1975 is not too new anymore, since we have tanks from even later dates (M48A5 is late 70's modification). With this in the mind, the STA-1, Type 61 and STB-1 could all be downtiered with Type 74 added to tier 10.

 

Why was the Type 74 considered "too new" over its prototype stage here in WoT?

leggasiini #7 Posted 12 July 2018 - 09:06 PM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 12 July 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

 

Why was the Type 74 considered "too new" over its prototype stage here in WoT?

 

Only because of the time it was introduced. Back in 2013 there was a clear line for time period - tanks from 70's were basically a nope. Latest vehicles were late 60's vehicles, and STB-1 is from late 60's. Type 74 in return is from 1975. Even though the tank itself is not really above stuff like Leopard 1 in terms of technology level, the tank was considered too new because it was outside of the limit that was late 60's. Nowadays, though, there isn't really a limit for any time era - mostly stuff that are obviously too powerful like composite armor are left out. M48A5 is from late 70's, the WZ-132-1, while technically a fake, takes element from a Type 62 modification from 2000s (!), and since China received 105 L7 at 80's, it effectively is at very least a tank from 80's. Type 64 is from 1975, UDES 03 is mid 70's design, etc etc.

 

Due to introduction of stuff like the Type 74, there shouldn't be any obstacles for WG to introduce the Type 74. Maybe they are planning to do that, who knows. Japanese MT line is seriously outdated, anyway. Personally I would downtier the tier 8-10, and add the Type 74, like said earlier. As for the Chi-Ri, it would lead to it's own branch, which with some dark magic is actually possible (the candidate for tier 9 and/or 10 is essentially a Chi-Ri but with +300 mm effective upper glacis plate and a 10.5 cm high-power anti tank gun).






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