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gav00 #1 Posted 15 July 2018 - 04:10 PM

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Hello! Can I get some advice as to what tech line to go down if I want a nice mix of turret armour and gun depression? Not interested in any specific vehicle but a tech line as a whole.

 

I am enjoying the armour on the soviet heavies but the fact that they cant move the gun downwards at all feels really restricting on the weirdly bumpy maps.

I have read that the British heavies have decent depression and some have seen armour buffs, but im not too keen on the design (especially the churchill-esque design which forces you to expose half the tank before the gun can get around the corner).

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 



LordMuffin #2 Posted 15 July 2018 - 04:21 PM

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View Postgav00, on 15 July 2018 - 04:10 PM, said:

Hello! Can I get some advice as to what tech line to go down if I want a nice mix of turret armour and gun depression? Not interested in any specific vehicle but a tech line as a whole.

 

I am enjoying the armour on the soviet heavies but the fact that they cant move the gun downwards at all feels really restricting on the weirdly bumpy maps.

I have read that the British heavies have decent depression and some have seen armour buffs, but im not too keen on the design (especially the churchill-esque design which forces you to expose half the tank before the gun can get around the corner).

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

British T8-T10 heavies are good for this.

The T8-T10 brit mediums have so-so turret armour, the T8 having best tier for tier.

American T7 and T8 aswell. The T9 and T10 have weakspots on top, so are out of fashion.

The T9 and T10 American Mediums have some turret armour aswell.


Edited by LordMuffin, 15 July 2018 - 04:22 PM.


gav00 #3 Posted 15 July 2018 - 04:26 PM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 15 July 2018 - 04:21 PM, said:

British T8-T10 heavies are good for this.

The T8-T10 brit mediums have so-so turret armour, the T8 having best tier for tier.

American T7 and T8 aswell. The T9 and T10 have weakspots on top, so are out of fashion.

The T9 and T10 American Mediums have some turret armour aswell.

 

So there are only sporadic vehicles within the entire tech tree rather than a single tech line?

LordMuffin #4 Posted 15 July 2018 - 04:30 PM

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View Postgav00, on 15 July 2018 - 04:26 PM, said:

 

So there are only sporadic vehicles within the entire tech tree rather than a single tech line?

No tanks below T7 are good hulldown (have enough turret armour to bounce).

The American T29 is the first hulldown tank in the game.



Suurpolskija #5 Posted 15 July 2018 - 04:34 PM

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Swedish tier8-10 heavy tanks have good frontal armor on their turrets and autoloader guns. 

 

I don't think there's whole tech lines with tough turrets, it's more of a high tier thing. 



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American:

 

  • T29, tier 7 heavy. Very strong turret, 10 degrees of gun depression and easily the best tier 7 heavy.
  • T32, tier 8 heavy. Very strong turret, 10 degrees of gun depression but the top gun is what you get on the tier 7 so penetration is lacking in tier 9 and 10 battles.
  • M46 and M48 pattons. Tier 9 and 10 mediums with OK turret armor, 10 and 9 degrees respectively and very good gun handling. Penetration on the standard rounds for the tier 9 is crap tho.

 

Swedish:

 

  • Emil 2 and Kranvagn, tier 9 and 10 heavies. VERY strong turret armor, 12 degrees of gun depression and that's about it. Crap mobility, penetration and gun handling.

 

British:

 

  • Caernarvon, tier 8 heavy. Strong turret, 10 degrees, good penetration and awesome pew pew gun.
  • Conqueror, tier 9 heavy. Pretty much the same as the Caernarvon but you lose the pew pew and you get a real heavy gun.
  • Super Conqueror, tier 10 heavy. Arguably the best tier 10 heavy. Very tough turret, fantastic DPM and hey you are still slow so you will feel right at home. :)

 



gav00 #7 Posted 15 July 2018 - 04:56 PM

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Thanks for all the suggestions, might start making my way down the american heavies, given what i've read

Andrasan89 #8 Posted 15 July 2018 - 05:19 PM

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Japanese superheavys have good gun depresion too...tier 9 and 10 and because are superheavys armor is their main feature..(untill you meet p2w goldspam..)

 

if you consider 8 degrees of gun dep. good there you have more options:

French tier 9 an 10

ruski ST1

nazy E75

 

+ bonus T28Prostotype...thats a TD but with a turret and 10 gun dep and decent enough armor (203mm thick)


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gav00 #9 Posted 15 July 2018 - 05:27 PM

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View PostAndrasan89, on 15 July 2018 - 05:19 PM, said:

Japanese superheavys have good gun depresion too...tier 9 and 10 and because are superheavys armor is their main feature..(untill you meet p2w goldspam..)

 

if you consider 8 degrees of gun dep. good there you have more options:

French tier 9 an 10

ruski ST1

nazy E75

 

+ bonus T28Prostotype...thats a TD but with a turret and 10 gun dep and decent enough armor (203mm thick)

 

I've not had much luck trying to play the low tier japanese heavies, everyone just hides from them

Andrasan89 #10 Posted 15 July 2018 - 05:29 PM

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View Postgav00, on 15 July 2018 - 05:27 PM, said:

 

I've not had much luck trying to play the low tier japanese heavies, everyone just hides from them

 

because are "BALANCED" comrade :trollface:

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View Postgav00, on 15 July 2018 - 05:27 PM, said:

 

I've not had much luck trying to play the low tier japanese heavies, everyone just hides from them

 

when something does 700 dmg at tier 6... why would you fight him full frontal? :P

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View Postgav00, on 15 July 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

Thanks for all the suggestions, might start making my way down the american heavies, given what i've read

 

Just be warned, before you hit that tier 7 lovely T29 heavy, you have some really iffy powercrept tanks to grind through... but that T29 makes it worth it.

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View PostDorander, on 15 July 2018 - 06:34 PM, said:

 

Just be warned, before you hit that tier 7 lovely T29 heavy, you have some really iffy powercrept tanks to grind through... but that T29 makes it worth it.

 

nah, just go M4 - M4A3E2 - T29 ...

use the M4A3E2 with the derp gun and starting turret. It's pretty well armored and has good gun depression (-10)

 

 

OP is right about his choice of tanks, turret armor often is what wins battles.

 

Löwe also has a good turret and good gun depression (-10)

 

I guess the Swedes could also deserve a mention, Emil II, Kranvagn, with their annoying -12 depression

 

Lord Muffin above is joking a little, GB meds and GB heavies as well as US meds all have good turret armor and good gun depression, weakspots are tiny and nearly impossible to hit, especially if the tank is used by a wiggler.

 

Whatever you do, don't use German tech tree tanks for that, even their heaviest tank can be shot frontally through the front turret armor with AP.



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Having gone up the US heavy tank line to tier 9 M103, I'd be tempted to say that the T29 is the sweet spot and from there things start to go downhill...

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View PostBrowarszky, on 15 July 2018 - 07:17 PM, said:

Having gone up the US heavy tank line to tier 9 M103, I'd be tempted to say that the T29 is the sweet spot and from there things start to go downhill...

Agreed.

The T32 lacks the gun.

The M103 is just a bad Conqueror and the E5 is just a much worse Super Conqueror.



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View PostAndrasan89, on 15 July 2018 - 06:19 PM, said:

Japanese superheavys have good gun depresion too...tier 9 and 10 and because are superheavys armor is their main feature..(untill you meet p2w goldspam..)

Well, the O-Ho certainly causes depressions, as it can only really use its gun when aiming sideways due to lack of gun-depression on most of the front.

And gun-depression on those tanks is a two-edged sword anyway, due to their massive size they can't actually hit targets standing right next to them at all.

 

In general brits and americans are the ridge-warriors in this game.



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If you go for T29 you better (imho) go T1 - M6 - T29 because that way:

-You have a decent heavy crew

-You have the 90mm from the M6, you dont want to drive T29 with the stock 76mm gun.



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View PostDorander, on 15 July 2018 - 06:34 PM, said:

 

Just be warned, before you hit that tier 7 lovely T29 heavy, you have some really iffy powercrept tanks to grind through... but that T29 makes it worth it.

 

disagree - the M6 is a very decent heavy at T6, although not hull down necessarily

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View PostLordMuffin, on 15 July 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

No tanks below T7 are good hulldown (have enough turret armour to bounce).

The American T29 is the first hulldown tank in the game.

 

come on the T45 is a hull down beast at tier 2 :)

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British high tier heavies,

Americal high tier mediums.






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