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Argedeava #1 Posted 16 July 2018 - 10:40 AM

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Many would agree that the differences betwen russian tier x tanks are very limited, making them much too similar. For instance the difference betewn OBJ 140 and T62 or the difference betwen IS7 and IS4. They are too small. There is no real diferenciation or "personality. Or the OBJ 268 and the OBJ 268 4.

Yes, the diffeerences are there and yes they do impact gameplay. But the differenc gap or "personalization" is nowhere near the other thech trees. Not to mention the Chinese tech tree which just adds to the depersonalization.

The USA for example has 2 heavies, one regular and one autoloader. That is a big difference, not the +1extra degree of gun depresion.

I think many would like to see more USSr tanks with much specific features.



undutchable80 #2 Posted 16 July 2018 - 10:43 AM

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TBH, I see too many USSR tanks in-game already. WG could stop spending time on the USSR tree as a whole (except for some still-needed nerfs on some tanks) and dedicate time and energy in upgrading other nations with either new lines or updating existing ones to the current meta...

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View PostArgedeava, on 16 July 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

Many would agree that the differences betwen russian tier x tanks are very limited, making them much too similar. For instance the difference betewn OBJ 140 and T62 or the difference betwen IS7 and IS4. They are too small. There is no real diferenciation or "personality. Or the OBJ 268 and the OBJ 268 4.

Yes, the diffeerences are there and yes they do impact gameplay. But the differenc gap or "personalization" is nowhere near the other thech trees. Not to mention the Chinese tech tree which just adds to the depersonalization.

The USA for example has 2 heavies, one regular and one autoloader. That is a big difference, not the +1extra degree of gun depresion.

I think many would like to see more USSr tanks with much specific features.

 

The problem you have is there wasn't actually that many tanks "produced" during the time period the game involves, hence the reason we have so many fantasy tanks or someone spilt coffee on a piece of paper that stained it and looked like a tank, "hey that looks like a tank lets make it". Tanks really only ever have 2 things changed on them, armor and guns.. You asking for "specialities" where none have ever existed, personally I wish WG would concentrate on QOS now instead of silly new tanks and tanks that never existed. Fix the sound bug, fix the contact lists, give us better maps not this crap like Province/Paris. Give us proper flanking abilities.

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View Postundutchable80, on 16 July 2018 - 10:43 AM, said:

TBH, I see too many USSR tanks in-game already. WG could stop spending time on the USSR tree as a whole (except for some still-needed nerfs on some tanks) and dedicate time and energy in upgrading other nations with either new lines or updating existing ones to the current meta...

 

Still need to revamp IS-4 line before changing tech tree to work on.

 

On topic.

To be fair, only Obj140 and T-62A are way to similar. The other tanks are all quite different:

IS-7 is quite a noob friendly tank that still good just because it got several buff wave. If the same ammount of buff were applied to IS-4 too, the differences between the 2 would be bigger (with IS-4 not being the icon of powercreep). 

268 and 268v4 are also completely different in terms of gameplay.



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Are you high? While the T62A and Object 140 are, yes, very similar, but for a good reason, the other examples you mentioned are not. IS-4 and IS-7 are significantly different from each other and have different playstyles. 268 V4 and 268 are also both very different when it comes to playstyle - in fact, their playstyles are almost polar opposites from each other. As for the T-62A and Object 140, they are literally just two different flavors to choose from when you get the T-54, so it's expected that they are similar. It's still more diverse than just one tier 10 like you would get from most of the tier 9s.

 

"Many would agree that the differences betwen russian tier x tanks are very limited, making them much too similar". Yeah, no? The fact you think like that doesn't mean that everyone else does as well.

 

Russia might "not" have as significant differences as some other nations, but you also gotta factor that they have by far the most tier 10s in the game. 4 heavies, 4 mediums, 2 TDs, 1 arty and 1 LT, and that is without any reward tanks and so on.

 

Just look at the variety of the top tiers. This is what Russian tech tree has to offer when it comes to top tier vehicles:

 

If that is not diversity, then nothing is. Yes, they don't have autoloaders, or ridiculous gun depression, or siege mode, etc etc, but there is still a gigantic amount of variety on the tech tree. Honestly, you can find most of the playstyles from a single tech tree.

 

Besides, they should not focus on Russian tech tree YET AGAIN. Russian tree is on a very good shape right now - there are only a couple of things that could be changed, such as buffing the IS-4 line up to the date, making the T-62A more relevant and other small changes, but there are trees that need way, way more love than Russia does. Germany has a couple of outdated tier 10s, so does USA, UK needs fixing to some midtiers (cough Churchills cough), couple of French tanks needs fixes, China needs serious love for pretty much anything that isn't a tier 9-10 heavy, Japanese MT line is seriously outdated, Czech tree has issues with some midtiers, Swedish HTs need fixing, etc etc. Some trees are really could be filled with new lines, especially UK and Japan, which still have a couple of tank lines that could be rather easy to implement and also be fairly unique (LTs and Chieftain lines for UK, TDs for Japan). CZ and Sweden also could receive more lines, or at very least a tier 8 premium for CZ, which doesnt even have one after 2.5 years.


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The combination of strong armor and good mobility make them so strong. They can be quick at key locations and relocate if needed, while they can hardly be countered after they shoot. Also counts for the tier x Chinese heavy tanks imo.

Through time these tanks became 'jack of no trades, master of all'. As opposed to tanks like e50m, centurion x, E-100, etc.

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SO being better than the tanks of other nations is not a unique feature enough for you?

 



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"Never change a winning team". Additionally, why should they spend work on the most popular tech tree, instead of making the abandoned ones attractive again? There are quite a few.

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View PostArgedeava, on 16 July 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

Many would agree that the differences betwen russian tier x tanks are very limited, making them much too similar. For instance the difference betewn OBJ 140 and T62 or the difference betwen IS7 and IS4. They are too small. There is no real diferenciation or "personality. Or the OBJ 268 and the OBJ 268 4.

Yes, the diffeerences are there and yes they do impact gameplay. But the differenc gap or "personalization" is nowhere near the other thech trees. Not to mention the Chinese tech tree which just adds to the depersonalization.

The USA for example has 2 heavies, one regular and one autoloader. That is a big difference, not the +1extra degree of gun depresion.

I think many would like to see more USSr tanks with much specific features.

 

Is that why you don't have any then ? 

Zinomov #10 Posted 16 July 2018 - 07:58 PM

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making the tech tree bigger ? hum well i already shared a full tech tree once, here it is :



its a bit broken but take what you need from it

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Argedeava #11 Posted 16 July 2018 - 08:03 PM

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View PostBordhaw, on 16 July 2018 - 07:49 PM, said:

 

Is that why you don't have any then ? 

 

Not really. That`s a factour, but not decisive.

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We already have way to many copy=>pasta Russian clones, this game doesn't need more but less.

 

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Their unique feature is that they're usually OP

4nt #14 Posted 17 July 2018 - 12:42 PM

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Da, need ridge HT with 12 dep 130mm and 350mm eff rounded and spaced armor turret, why not toss 55kph forwards and 20 backwards, turns on a wodka cork faster than csgo aimbot and is the size of an ELC

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There was an interesting tank with 2 pair of tracks and may be other outside the box projects that could be well implemented.

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View PostArgedeava, on 17 July 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

There was an interesting tank with 2 pair of tracks and may be other outside the box projects that could be well implemented.

 


Game is literally dead if that tank gets implemented



 

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USSR is literally a contradiction of unique. In life and in game.




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