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Emeraldweed #1 Posted 17 July 2018 - 12:01 PM

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So i was watching claus vid today  https://www.youtube....h?v=spSUivler9w ( i dont usually watch him ) and noticed something that we all did in our early days. Pushing allies to help them  go there faster, now although i quit doing that looong time ago, i never figured out if it actually works, i guess it does only as acceleration? I mean until the tank that gets pushed reaches its max speed?  Anyone that actually tested it ?:P 

Kozzy #2 Posted 17 July 2018 - 12:03 PM

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It used to work, when the that iteration of physics was released, but got 'abused' fairly early on (i.e. IS7s pushing T95s at well over 30kph etc).  Now it only affects acceleration.

 

Think it was around patch 8.0 (2013?) when the 'new' physics were introduced allowing tanks to actually push each other.

 

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The physics model for tank movement has been drastically changed. Tanks will now be able to ride over ledges, drive through rivers, push enemy and allied vehicles, etc...
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Edited by Kozzy, 17 July 2018 - 12:41 PM.


Steve8066 #3 Posted 17 July 2018 - 12:05 PM

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i push arties on steppes over the railway line to give them cover and to help them get in position quicker, and it certainly makes them go faster but i have no idea how much it does.

Homer_J #4 Posted 17 July 2018 - 12:09 PM

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View PostKozzy, on 17 July 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

It used to work, when the that iteration of physics was released, but got 'abused' fairly early on (i.e. IS7s pushing T95s at well over 30kph etc).  Now it only affects acceleration.

 

Nope, it never worked for vehicles which could hit their top speed under their own power, only works for things like the AMX40 where it has a top speed it cannot achieve it's self.

 

If you push an ally all that happens is you both get there slowly and you risk doing damage to yourself and the ally, so don't bother.



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I've seen a tank on occasionally getting a roughly 5% speed increase by being pushed.... by which I mean my Maus went 20 kp/h instead of 19 kp/h.

 

There are a few situations where it's useful to push a tank, such as when they don't have good hp/tonnage ratio and are trying to get uphill, but you need a powerful engine yourself to make a significant difference. Even then it's usually only a few kp/h gained, which you should weigh against the advantage of you reaching the position faster.



wEight_Tanker #6 Posted 17 July 2018 - 12:35 PM

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I don't know. 2 IS-3 were pushing my Type 4 and I was going over 40km/h.

Yaccay #7 Posted 17 July 2018 - 01:11 PM

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Pushing a Maus or a T95 does not make any (noticeable) speed difference.

On the other hand, a quick tanks pushes a lightweight tank makes a big difference.



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I am not sure that it is NOT working. I feels like it does work. BUT it does work within the laws of physics. If you push t95 with a light, you will get +1 mph.

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Pushing your allies in only reasonable when:

- you think that tank/player needs to be there faster

- helping your platoon/clan mate

- you are not in a rush and slowing yourself down does not make difference

- if you realize you are actually increasing his speed (you don’t slow down to his speed but he gains some while you lose some)

- you like it from behind



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View PostwEight_Tanker, on 17 July 2018 - 12:35 PM, said:

I don't know. 2 IS-3 were pushing my Type 4 and I was going over 40km/h.

Replay or it didn't happen.

 

View Postvixu, on 17 July 2018 - 01:19 PM, said:

I am not sure that it is NOT working. I feels like it does work. BUT it does work within the laws of physics. If you push t95 with a light, you will get +1 mph.

Nope.  I used to get repeatedly annoyed at people trying to push my T28 prot or Japanese heavies, all they were doing was slowing themselves down.  My usual response would be first to press F6, then to stop dead.


Edited by Homer_J, 17 July 2018 - 03:10 PM.


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Ask amx 40 drivers. They know it works ;)

DuncaN_101 #12 Posted 17 July 2018 - 01:51 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 17 July 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

Replay or it didn't happen.

 

Nope.  I used to get repeatedly annoyed at people trying to push my T28 prot or Japanese heavies, all they were doing was slowing themselves down.  My usual response would be first to press F6, then to stop dead.

Pretty much this. 

Most of them bump into my T95 taking a good amount of their own hp aswell so it's mostly bloody annoying  

 

I usually just stop and let them try and push. 

Then if I'm in a good mood I explain why they shouldn't do it. Whilst cruising to my destination  



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View PostHomer_J, on 17 July 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

Replay or it didn't happen.

 

It was before 1.0 update. And I didn't save the battle.


Edited by wEight_Tanker, 17 July 2018 - 03:09 PM.


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Much of the time in my bigger heavier tanks I really can't tell if the guy behind me is either :

- a complete idiot and thinks he is helping by trying to push me in his stupidly unsuitable tank, or

- he's so frightened of being shot that he's using me for cover even before we spot the enemy.



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Yes it works, no it isn't worth it.

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View PostHomer_J, on 17 July 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

Nope, it never worked for vehicles which could hit their top speed under their own power, only works for things like the AMX40 where it has a top speed it cannot achieve it's self.

 

If you push an ally all that happens is you both get there slowly and you risk doing damage to yourself and the ally, so don't bother.

 

If that was the case then why did people make trains to boost up tanks to "hard to reach" map positions prior to 1.0 ? 

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View PostBordhaw, on 17 July 2018 - 06:28 PM, said:

 

If that was the case then why did people make trains to boost up tanks to "hard to reach" map positions prior to 1.0 ? 

 

What does that have to do with making them go faster?



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View PostwEight_Tanker, on 17 July 2018 - 12:35 PM, said:

I don't know. 2 IS-3 were pushing my Type 4 and I was going over 40km/h.

Well, duh... the Type 4 Chi-To can go like 44km/h.

View PostBordhaw, on 17 July 2018 - 06:28 PM, said:

 

If that was the case then why did people make trains to boost up tanks to "hard to reach" map positions prior to 1.0 ? 

For the dead weight the tanks towards the rear provide to prevent sliding down?

 

But anyhow, it should be easy enough to test; I got both a Type 4 Heavy and a Type 5 Heavy in case anyone wants to try and push me in TRs. :trollface:



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View PostHomer_J, on 17 July 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

Replay or it didn't happen.

 

Nope.  I used to get repeatedly annoyed at people trying to push my T28 prot or Japanese heavies, all they were doing was slowing themselves down.  My usual response would be first to press F6, then to stop dead.

 

yaccay above got it right.

it does work up to the pushed tank's top speed.

of course pushing T28 or Jap heavies or Maus does not achieve anything.

but try pushing a AC4 exp with a RU and you will see the difference.



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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 17 July 2018 - 06:51 PM, said:

 

yaccay above got it right.

it does work up to the pushed tank's top speed.

of course pushing T28 or Jap heavies or Maus does not achieve anything.

but try pushing a AC4 exp with a RU and you will see the difference.

 

So if your downhill speed is faster than your engine-tops, it is useful to get pushed? Uhm... does the pusher just have to be faster, or also heavier?

 

I mean apart from the obvious examples, time to try some stuff out again :trollface: choo choo

 

 

Also do not forget to fire your guns while doing this, for the full experience. (Maybe firing backwards, new physics and all)

 


Edited by r0f, 17 July 2018 - 07:17 PM.





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