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Zinomov #1 Posted 17 July 2018 - 05:39 PM

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IS-4 :

-change the aim time of the 122 mm M-62-T2 gun from 2.9 to 2.5

-change the dispersion when moving for the 122 mm M-62-T2 gun from 0.25 to 0.20

-change the dispersion when tank traverse for the 122 mm M-62-T2 gun from 0.25 to 0.20

 

ST-I :

-change the aiming time of the 122 mm M-62-T2 gun from 3.4 to 3 sec

-change the dispersion when moving for the 122 mm M-62-T2 gun from 0.25 to 0.20

-change the dispersion when tank traverse for the 122 mm M-62-T2 gun from 0.25 to 0.20

-change the dispersion when turning the turret for the 122 mm M-62-T2 gun from from 0.20 to 0.15

 

KV-4 :

-change the gun depretion from 6° to 7°

-change the aim time of the 107 mm ZiS-24 from 2.9 to 2.6 sec

-change the dispersion when moving for the 107 mm ZiS-24 gun from 0.23 to 0.21

-change the dispersion when tank traverse for the 107 mm ZiS-24 gun from 0.23 to 0.21

-change the dispersion when turning the turret for the 107 mm ZiS-24 gun from 0.16 to 0.15

 

T-100 LT :

-change the reload time from 7.8 to 7.5 sec

-change the dispersion from 0.46 to 0.42

-change the view range from 390 to 400 meters

-change the penetration of the premium AP rounds from 248 to 268 mm

 

MT-25 :

-change the reload time of the 76 mm S-54M gun  from 4.5 to 4 sec

-change the dispersion of the 76 mm S-54M gun from 0.42 to 0.4

 

LTG :

-improve the dispersion of the 85 mm D-5T 85BMU gun from 0.4 to 0.37

-improve all ground resistences by 40%

-improve the view range from 360 to 370 meters

 

Object. 260 :

-change the track traverse from 28 °/s to 30 °/s

-change the reload time from 11.50 to 10.27 sec

-increase the hit points from 2100 to 2400

 

Object 430 U :

-change the armor on the right hand side coupola ring from 300 to 200 mm

-change the armor of the right hand side coupola from 257 mm to 227 mm

-change the dispersion from 0.4 to 0.38



Homer_J #2 Posted 17 July 2018 - 05:40 PM

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IS-4 - move back to tier IX - make IS-4 great again.  Oh and give it the S70 back.

Zinomov #3 Posted 17 July 2018 - 05:42 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 17 July 2018 - 05:40 PM, said:

IS-4 - move back to tier IX - make IS-4 great again.  Oh and give it the S70 back.

 

sorry brother, but the IS-4 never had an S-70 in reality
and if you move it to tier 9, what will be the tier 10 to replace it ?

Balc0ra #4 Posted 17 July 2018 - 05:46 PM

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Well, let's wait and see if the ST-II makes an appearance first. As then the IS-4 will suffer the same faith as the 155. And they might hold back and changes until then. Tho not heard anything about the ST-II tests in ages. 

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View PostZinomov, on 17 July 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

 

sorry brother, but the IS-4 never had an S-70 in reality
and if you move it to tier 9, what will be the tier 10 to replace it ?

 

Super Defender? :hiding:

Homer_J #6 Posted 17 July 2018 - 05:49 PM

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View PostZinomov, on 17 July 2018 - 05:42 PM, said:

 

sorry brother, but the IS-4 never had an S-70 in reality
and if you move it to tier 9, what will be the tier 10 to replace it ?

 

It never had the 2nd gun it has either, only the D-25T it has as stock so what is your point again?

 

WG will find something to replace it with don't worry about that.  They have no shortage of Russian heavy tanks in the archives.

 

Just give me back my IS-4 they stole from me!  Oh and make it meet tier 5 heavies again pls thx.



Zinomov #7 Posted 17 July 2018 - 05:53 PM

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i see, well we still need some tweaks on this branch, haven't seen it been played in ages

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I think they should make the IS-4 tier IX again as it was originally, because the IS-4 armor at tier X doesn't really works...

the front is too weak, and even when well angled, people can penetrate the tank with 270mm shells, and that means basically every TD can wreak it. 

 

in other hand, the have a poor mobility and poor gun depression, also doesn't help, 

 

The ST-I is so much better tier per tier, and actually i think if they give the ST-I a better gun and more exp, it would work much better as a tier X than the IS-4.

The ST-I turret used to be epic, really hard to pen, i haven't play it after they changed to HD model, but i used to love the tank...

 

I wouldn't change the KV-4, yet, i would not change the top gun, but i would like to have the ZIS 107 gun of the KV-5, with the same DPM of the kv-5. 

 

 



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View PostHomer_J, on 17 July 2018 - 05:40 PM, said:

IS-4 - move back to tier IX - make IS-4 great again.  Oh and give it the S70 back.

 

What was the S70? I guess the gun before M62T2 but what had to be better than the gun it mount ATM?

 

On topic. 

I won't exchange IS-4 and ST-I simply because I like my ST-I at tier 9. Far better environment.

Also IS-4 is really pesky to balance becausel all the platform feel obsolete and powercrept and this opens different buffing option:

1) the dreadnought. Turret front up to 300mm, roof up to 100mm (may keep the weackspot to balance it), matlet up to 250mm, UFP to 160mm, sides to 180mm increase gun stabilization a bit, ammo up to 35-40 shells.

2) the anti-superHT. Gun matlet up to 250mm, roof up to100mm (may keep the WS), AP shell changed with a 270-280 pen APCR, engine power up to 850-900HP, increase gun stabilization a bit, shells up to 35-40.

3) the fast fortress. Mantlet and roof as above, turret front up to 300mm, engine power up to 800-850HP or buff the terrain resistance, accuracy down to 0.34-0.33, greatly increase gun stabilization, shells up to 35-40.


Edited by Dava_117, 17 July 2018 - 07:01 PM.


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DAVA117 you"re going crazy bro

those stats will never happen

for instance the S70 is the same gun on the IS-7

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I think ST-I is fine right now. One of the most balanced tier 9 heavies. The only one that need stats improve is KV-4. IS-4 should just be tier 9.

 

They should add ST-II as a tier 10 to make the line consistent.



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are these actual changes or just what you want to see? 

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View PostZinomov, on 17 July 2018 - 05:42 PM, said:

 

sorry brother, but the IS-4 never had an S-70 in reality
 

 

In reality. Yes of course. How could we all forget. This game is outstandingly accurate when it comes to historical tank equipment.

Dava_117 #14 Posted 17 July 2018 - 09:14 PM

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View PostZinomov, on 17 July 2018 - 08:54 PM, said:

DAVA117 you"re going crazy bro

those stats will never happen

for instance the S70 is the same gun on the IS-7

 

Not really. Most of those possible buff are quite light. 

Proposal 1 is basically a 20mm buff on the hull, 50mm on turret front and 25mm on the already 75mm thick roof. Nothing game breacking.

Proposal 2 got a good engine and pen buff, but keep the armour layout almost as it is. 

Proposal 3 just bring the turret up to date while buffing a bit engine power and gun behaviour. Basically a more balanced dust off.

 

About the S70 you're right. But then I don't want it back. M62T2 is just better in everything except alpha.


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View PostDava_117, on 17 July 2018 - 06:58 PM, said:

 

What was the S70? I guess the gun before M62T2 but what had to be better than the gun it mount ATM?

 

On topic. 

I won't exchange IS-4 and ST-I simply because I like my ST-I at tier 9. Far better environment.

Also IS-4 is really pesky to balance becausel all the platform feel obsolete and powercrept and this opens different buffing option:

1) the dreadnought. Turret front up to 300mm, roof up to 100mm (may keep the weackspot to balance it), matlet up to 250mm, UFP to 160mm, sides to 180mm increase gun stabilization a bit, ammo up to 35-40 shells.

2) the anti-superHT. Gun matlet up to 250mm, roof up to100mm (may keep the WS), AP shell changed with a 270-280 pen APCR, engine power up to 850-900HP, increase gun stabilization a bit, shells up to 35-40.

3) the fast fortress. Mantlet and roof as above, turret front up to 300mm, engine power up to 800-850HP or buff the terrain resistance, accuracy down to 0.34-0.33, greatly increase gun stabilization, shells up to 35-40.

 

Good you dont balance this game. 

Only because you dont know how to use IS 4, that dont mean, adding idiotic buffs will make game any better. 

Adding fake armor wont fix game, it will make game ven worse then its already is. HT with 280 mm pen, DO you have any idea WHAT you ask for ? Because not really. 

@Zinomov

T100 is best tier X LT, we have way worse LT that need buffs. 

-ST 1 buff only when you nerf armor. That will be WAY to powerfull combo.
-KV 4 problem is not gun, is armor. That is way to OP for tier 6 and way to crapfor tier 10.  

 



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View PostDava_117, on 17 July 2018 - 08:14 PM, said:

 

Not really. Most of those possible buff are quite light. 

Proposal 1 is basically a 20mm buff on the hull, 50mm on turret front and 25mm on the already 75mm thick roof. Nothing game breacking.

Proposal 2 got a good engine and pen buff, but keep the armour layout almost as it is. 

Proposal 3 just bring the turret up to date while buffing a bit engine power and gun behaviour. Basically a more balanced dust off.

 

About the S70 you're right. But then I don't want it back. M62T2 is just better in everything except alpha.

The armour on the IS-4 doesn't need changing, it just needs proper gun stats that aren't tier 9 level. Slight gun handling + DPM buffs would do the job just fine without throwing even more overbuffed armour into the mix.

 

View Postxx984, on 17 July 2018 - 08:05 PM, said:

are these actual changes or just what you want to see? 

Just changes he'd like to see


Edited by FluffyRedFox, 17 July 2018 - 09:36 PM.


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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 17 July 2018 - 08:27 PM, said:

The armour on the IS-4 doesn't need changing, it just needs proper gun stats that aren't tier 9 level. Slight gun handling + DPM buffs would do the job just fine without throwing even more overbuffed armour into the mix.

 

Just changes he'd like to see

damn, actually like most of them



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View Postxx984, on 17 July 2018 - 08:37 PM, said:

damn, actually like most of them

Don't worry, I'm sure WG will someday make changes that'll you'll enjoy even more :trollface:



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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 17 July 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

Don't worry, I'm sure WG will someday make changes that'll you'll enjoy even more :trollface:

 

maybe they can give IS-4 a big derp gun 

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View Postxx984, on 17 July 2018 - 10:45 PM, said:

 

maybe they can give IS-4 a big derp gun 

 

Watch how the ST-II gets double 152mm derp guns :trollface:




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