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_Anarchistic_ #1 Posted 17 July 2018 - 06:28 PM

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268V4 has been heavily discussed and is OP but I do wonder if WR% for tier 10 tanks should all be EXPECTED to be over 50% )perhaps even 55%?) on average as they are after all the best tanks and get to beat up on lower tier tanks

 

if we set tier 10 tanks WR target at 50% what can we expect at tier 9,8 etc?



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Wat? :amazed:

 

There is always the same number of tanks of a certain tier in a battle on each side. Thus, even in a 3-5-7, three tier X will win and three will lose. So... 49,5% - 50% avg is still a pretty good expected value (including draws).


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View Post_Anarchistic_, on 17 July 2018 - 06:28 PM, said:

268V4 has been heavily discussed and is OP but I do wonder if WR% for tier 10 tanks should all be EXPECTED to be over 50% )perhaps even 55%?) on average as they are after all the best tanks and get to beat up on lower tier tanks

 

if we set tier 10 tanks WR target at 50% what can we expect at tier 9,8 etc?

In every battle with T10 tanks. Just as many T10 tanks win as lose.

So how are you going to get a T10 overall WR above 50%?



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View PostLordMuffin, on 17 July 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

In every battle with T10 tanks. Just as many T10 tanks win as lose.

So how are you going to get a T10 overall WR above 50%?

 

I think OP is trying to say that players should naturally have higher (than their average) win rate in their T10 tanks because they only get to fight equal or lower tier tanks. Based on that assumption a T10 tank with good win rate chart (like Obj 430U for example) is not necessarily over performing, rather the chart is the result of favorable MM.  

Jigabachi #6 Posted 18 July 2018 - 03:32 AM

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You'll never be bottom tier, which will push the WR of good players who have a bigger impact and further ruin it for bad ones, who simply are a burden 100% of the time. But also don't forget the horrible meta of tX on those tiny maps, that will change the odds again, too.

kaneloon #7 Posted 18 July 2018 - 04:24 AM

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268 v4 has one of the best WR of the tiers X, at 53.6%, only 3rd behind VK 72.01 and obj 907, both over 57%.

 

Last tiers X over 50% is the T92, 25th of about 60 tiers X.

Worst WR is the IS4 at 44.4%.

 

So most of tiers X are under 50% wr, and 268v4 is way above that.

Knowing that any player can get it, their 268v4 WR must be at least +5% over their regular WR.

 



http://www.vbaddict.net/statistics.php?tier=10&tanktype=0&nation=0&premium=0&modeid=0&team=0&battles=500&groupby=0&fieldname=won_lost_ratio&server=
 

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View PostLordMuffin, on 17 July 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

In every battle with T10 tanks. Just as many T10 tanks win as lose.

 

 

In a percentage of battles there are Draws as well, so working out an average WR is being overestimated in this thread unless Win, Lose, or Draw (counts as a loss) is taken into account. So an average is going to be nearer 49% which means the 268 V4 was even more OP before the nerf than people think.



adameitas #9 Posted 18 July 2018 - 08:40 AM

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somehow recently i notice more and more games were tanks mm is not balanced even by wg terms. Like me in 277 vs type5, leo vs 430u so one of the teams gets advantage. Or for example one team gets mediums another not, one team gets more scouts and so on. Not that i complain i like random in randoms but just wonder maybe wg do something with mm?

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View PostWarzey, on 18 July 2018 - 01:24 AM, said:

 

I think OP is trying to say that players should naturally have higher (than their average) win rate in their T10 tanks because they only get to fight equal or lower tier tanks. Based on that assumption a T10 tank with good win rate chart (like Obj 430U for example) is not necessarily over performing, rather the chart is the result of favorable MM.  

 

That makes sense for something like KDR but not for WR, surely?

Mannanan #11 Posted 18 July 2018 - 08:54 AM

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WG terms are you get balanced teams tank wise only if available population allows it, otherwise you can get anomalies. Further some specific tank types are not defined within the same class, like MT which is rather HT, and can be matched regularly with whatever in its class.

Edited by Mannanan, 18 July 2018 - 08:57 AM.


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The 268v4 winrate I doubt is accurate, will still be settling down from before surely 

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View PostWarzey, on 18 July 2018 - 02:24 AM, said:

 

I think OP is trying to say that players should naturally have higher (than their average) win rate in their T10 tanks because they only get to fight equal or lower tier tanks. Based on that assumption a T10 tank with good win rate chart (like Obj 430U for example) is not necessarily over performing, rather the chart is the result of favorable MM.  

 

No because for every person that is able to make use of being top tier all the time there are plenty of others that will let their team down with the added responsibility. 

 

It's why most players have lower win rates at higher tiers than lower, crews are better, players are better and you are expected to carry your weight more in tier 9 and 10 tanks because they are top tier more often, which means if you don't, the impact on the team is felt even more, especially in 3-5-7. 

 

A crap player in a tier 8 heavy only doing 50% of his HP in damage every game is less of a burden for the team to carry if that tier 8 vehicle is often in tier 9 and 10 games. If the player is in an IS7 and only doing 50% of his HP in damage most games, then that is more of a burden to the team as it means one of your tier 10 vehicles is always doing badly, which is bad in an all tier 10 game, and really bad in a 5-10 game and very very bad in a 3-5-7 game.

 

Balance tanks should have like a near 50% WR (accounting for draws) in that they are mirror matched in the MM, so a Patton should always face another tier 10, and most of the time face another single shot tier 10 medium.

 

If one tank is doing better on WR it means that tank is consistently making it win more often against whatever it faces, which is usually because it's better than what it faces, i.e other tier 10 tanks of a similar type. 

 

 

View Postxx984, on 18 July 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

The 268v4 winrate I doubt is accurate, will still be settling down from before surely 

 

Presuming the figures are from vbaddict then it is from the last 30 days, so since the nerf. 



Wintermute_1 #14 Posted 18 July 2018 - 12:26 PM

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Average tier 10 winrate is 49.39%, tier 9 is 49.38% and tier 8 is 49.06%.

Tier 7 currently has the top win rate with 49.47% and tier 1 has the lowest with 48.45%.



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View PostWintermute_1, on 18 July 2018 - 12:26 PM, said:

Average tier 10 winrate is 49.39%, tier 9 is 49.38% and tier 8 is 49.06%.

Tier 7 currently has the top win rate with 49.47% and tier 1 has the lowest with 48.45%.

 

interesting stuff - where'd you get it?

Wintermute_1 #16 Posted 18 July 2018 - 03:14 PM

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View PostSteeleye_Spam, on 18 July 2018 - 01:21 PM, said:

 

interesting stuff - where'd you get it?

 

VBAaddict. Tank stats. 

>> winrate grouped by tier



Solstad1069 #17 Posted 18 July 2018 - 03:31 PM

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I suck at tier 10, have lots of them and finsihed the grind for even more tier 10s. 

I dont even play my 268v4, why?

Because tier 10 is hard and you get punished for every risky move you make.

The maps feels way too small so everybody sees you more or less from the get go.

 

I would prefer my tier 6 medium in tier 8 battles all the time.






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