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I feel camping has increased over the last six months.

  1. Yes, it has increased. (57 votes [54.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.29%

  2. No, it's decreased. (5 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  3. No change (43 votes [40.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.95%

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Long_Range_Sniper #1 Posted 18 July 2018 - 05:19 PM

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Over the past six months I feel I've noticed the game has just developed into a position where players are adopting a camping approach to most maps.

 

Obviously this is just my perception, and I play quite a few light tanks so tend to be the one that gets deleted by FV 4005's now and again. 

 

For an average, casual player I wonder if this is just the easier option, and with the change in bushes on maps it's slowly becoming the default.

 

I suppose someone as clever as Baldrickk could do an analysis of distance traveled by teams over time, but my sense is that players are moving to camping as their preferred option.


Edited by Long_Range_Sniper, 18 July 2018 - 05:27 PM.


Mr_Missclick #2 Posted 18 July 2018 - 05:27 PM

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I feel it's increased since summer. Kids playing, yeah. No problem to meet a guy scored 9k battles or more but having 350 avg dmg and playing tier 10.

isaneng #3 Posted 18 July 2018 - 05:34 PM

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Can't say I've noticed it, but I am a bit of a *edited* who only plays tier 5 - tier 7.

Edited by NickMustaine, 21 July 2018 - 08:17 AM.
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gunslingerXXX #4 Posted 18 July 2018 - 05:37 PM

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It's increased. Main reason is the stupid arty mission orders I think. I get soo much 3 arty matches, which simply suck because everybody camps. Only solution is YOLO & next

_b_ #5 Posted 18 July 2018 - 05:38 PM

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Voted yes, but only slightly I'd say.  

 

But then again I usually die pretty fast and suicide only about 1/4 :D



AXIS_OF_RESISTANCE #6 Posted 18 July 2018 - 05:47 PM

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1-put a cheese wedge(Swedish TDs) on the redstar and its GG . only way is to yolo with full hp bobject(268 v4) to proxy spot this cancer spot :teethhappy:.

2-camp in the corner and its GG good luck pushing against some invisible  TDs .


Edited by AXIS_OF_RESISTANCE, 18 July 2018 - 05:51 PM.


Ganjalf94 #7 Posted 18 July 2018 - 06:01 PM

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No, same amount of camping. If anything, too many people yoloing on flanks where the first one to advance dies

 



Rosetta_and_Philae #8 Posted 18 July 2018 - 06:30 PM

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Camping has been well increased thanks in large due to the powercreep among other things.

LordMuffin #9 Posted 18 July 2018 - 06:39 PM

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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 18 July 2018 - 05:19 PM, said:

Over the past six months I feel I've noticed the game has just developed into a position where players are adopting a camping approach to most maps.

 

Obviously this is just my perception, and I play quite a few light tanks so tend to be the one that gets deleted by FV 4005's now and again. 

 

For an average, casual player I wonder if this is just the easier option, and with the change in bushes on maps it's slowly becoming the default.

 

I suppose someone as clever as Baldrickk could do an analysis of distance traveled by teams over time, but my sense is that players are moving to camping as their preferred option.

Some of the new/changed maps are made for camping. 

Fjords, Cliff, Erlenberg, Province.

The design of these maps is promoting a camping playstyle quite much.



Long_Range_Sniper #10 Posted 18 July 2018 - 06:50 PM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 18 July 2018 - 05:39 PM, said:

Some of the new/changed maps are made for camping. 

Fjords, Cliff, Erlenberg, Province.

The design of these maps is promoting a camping playstyle quite much.

 

and with the removal of other maps it maybe builds a playstyle that then creeps into other maps and becomes the norm?

ThinGun #11 Posted 18 July 2018 - 06:56 PM

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i can't say I've noticed any change.  

What I HAVE noticed is a rise in the number of people who whine about it in chat.  (E.g. - me playing FCM 36 Pak 40  accused of being a 'noob camper' when I'm still trying to leave the spawn circle at my top speed of 16k).  Maybe the level of ignorance of tank capabilities and roles has changed?

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BravelyRanAway #12 Posted 18 July 2018 - 07:02 PM

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Even the best like camping......

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stokescj #13 Posted 18 July 2018 - 07:06 PM

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I nearly always camp when there is 3 Artas unless it's a map with good cover.  Arta generally promotes camping, not reducing it. 

Unicorn_of_Steel #14 Posted 18 July 2018 - 07:10 PM

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View PostThinGun, on 18 July 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

i can't say I've noticed any change.  

What I HAVE noticed is a rise in the number of people who whine about it in chat.  (E.g. - me playing FCM 36 Pak 40  accused of being a 'noob camper' when I'm still trying to leave the spawn circle at my top speed of 16k).  Maybe the level of ignorance of tank capabilities and roles has changed?

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:teethhappy: 

Snaques #15 Posted 18 July 2018 - 07:12 PM

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View PostRosetta_and_Philae, on 18 July 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

Camping has been well increased thanks in large due to the powercreep among other things.

 

lol, that doesn't make any sense :facepalm:
 

I think it has increased slightly and I put it down to two main reasons:

1. New camp heavy maps like Glazier and Province as well as modified maps like Erlenberg. For many tanks the only sensible thing to do is to camp.

2. More 2-3 arty battles increase the camping a lot. The first one getting spotted aint getting out of there alive so why not just base camp and let LTs be the eyes.


 

Steve8066 #16 Posted 18 July 2018 - 07:17 PM

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Camping seems to have increased for me due to poor map reworking (Fjords/Province specifically) and because there seems to be more battles with 3 arty in them. Contrary to popular belief, Arty promotes camping, it doesnt reduce it.

SuedKAT #17 Posted 18 July 2018 - 07:40 PM

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My personal feeling regarding this is that it's been on an increase for quite a while (years), the redesign of maps (as well as the introduction of maps focused mainly on camping) is a large reason for this, another is the overall nerf to view-ranges on LT's (or rather equality with MT's) and TD's. Before you for example could spott stuff for yourself in a TD, now that's a lot harder so people camp as a response, that way they at least get to shoot once or twice compared to if they moved forward only to just die as soon as they ran into the camping enemies. The tweaking of LT's have resulted in the bad players still achieving very little in them and good players have even more prioritized doing damage than spott targets, they are after all in an inferior tank compared to most MT's but at the same time they get more WN8 for doing damage. The rework of arty also play quite an significant role, before you were in the mercy of RNG, either you got one-shoot or nothing happened, now you get spanked as soon as you get spotted and ain't hiding behind a mountain, sure you might not die instantly anymore, but most times that would have been the favorable option, arty even more than ever promotes camping now, especially with the recent Leffe plague. I also feel that the overall lack of balance as well as the 3-5-7 MM that the game currently have is playing a role as well, powercreeped tanks as well as bottom tiers have little options on many maps, if they camp they at least don't just end up as a snack for the 3 top tiers.

 

On their own these things have various impacts on the game, but put together it have thought the majority of players that if they camp they most likely won't die without knowing why, they most likely get to fire their gun at the more impatient enemies and they don't have to deal with arty as much, since there is after all only one way to be arty safe, don't get spotted. Also as mentioned above, it's summer, vacation times, so there is bound to be quite a few people that don't play the game regularly playing at the moment.


Edited by SuedKAT, 18 July 2018 - 07:43 PM.


Long_Range_Sniper #18 Posted 18 July 2018 - 10:21 PM

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View PostSuedKAT, on 18 July 2018 - 06:40 PM, said:

On their own these things have various impacts on the game, but put together it have thought the majority of players that if they camp they most likely won't die without knowing why, they most likely get to fire their gun at the more impatient enemies and they don't have to deal with arty as much, since there is after all only one way to be arty safe, don't get spotted. Also as mentioned above, it's summer, vacation times, so there is bound to be quite a few people that don't play the game regularly playing at the moment.

 

I feel this is a lot of it. Even if you're in arty you are "occupied" aiming at a tank, taking a shot and eating your pizza. So you've got something to do from the off.

 

If you play in "TD mode" in any tank from behind a bush then you don't even have to think until the enemy get spotted for you in your direct line of fire. If you then finally get spotted yourself then at least you've done some damage, shot a pixel tank or two, and you click battle and on to the next game. It's a way of ensuring that you do at least some damage, even if you haven't the ability required to actually do something to win a game.

 

When you look at the winrates of some of the players who camp it's pretty much all at the lower end. Are TD's the new noobtube for "challenged" players when you combine it with the map changes?



SuedKAT #19 Posted 18 July 2018 - 10:27 PM

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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 18 July 2018 - 10:21 PM, said:

Are TD's the new noobtube for "challenged" players when you combine it with the map changes?

 

I wouldn't say so, they still seem to do reasonably ok most of the time due to how they function, personally I feel that it's the HT's since many of those have started to camp due to the lack of vision and annoyance of the current state of arty. The main problem though is when those camping HT's finds themselves as  the 3 top tiers in the 3-5-7 MM, they generally fire at some random speedy tank scouting and get obliterated without contributing to the match.



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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 18 July 2018 - 09:21 PM, said:

Are TD's the new noobtube for "challenged" players when you combine it with the map changes?

Looks like I was ahead of my time.:child:







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