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Compensation for Team-Damage needs to be much higher!


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Rittmeister39 #1 Posted 19 July 2018 - 08:07 AM

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Seriously, that's not a compensation when you get exactly/only the amount the repairs cost.

You should instead get at least paid 4 times the damage cost, because a) it was most likely done maliciously and b) wtf you got also robbed of a victory maybe and doing more damage, and c) maybe the person learns not to do stupid things.


Edited by Rittmeister39, 19 July 2018 - 08:08 AM.


Erwin_Chan #2 Posted 19 July 2018 - 08:18 AM

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Yes it should much higher ! It happens that somebody shoots teammate by accident, when you "jump" into their shot in a second they fire, etc.

 

But the things I saw this week.. So many EDITs ramming allies on purpose, arties splashing allies because they didnt follow what "arty general ordered" , or another edits shooting allies with high alpha guns because they bumped into them/rammed them by accident for some 1/2 % of their HP. Not that you don't see edits all the time in WoT, but this week. This week ... arrrg. Compensation for team damage is laughable, when it can easily take one shot by your teammate who has high alpha gun to ruin your game, because then you cannot trade your HP with enemies.



Slyspy #3 Posted 19 July 2018 - 08:20 AM

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It is so that players can't farm credits by getting friendlies yo shoot them. 

Geno1isme #4 Posted 19 July 2018 - 08:22 AM

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That would actually invite even more trolls to provoke team members to shoot them.

Xandania #5 Posted 19 July 2018 - 08:34 AM

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If you gain more than the repair costs of the damage you could abuse it - but raising the penalty for those shooting their teammates shouldn't be an issue ;)

Graeme0 #6 Posted 19 July 2018 - 09:11 AM

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I dont think you should benefit from being damaged, but I do think there should be a higher fine to the offender, such as 50% fine for xp and creds.

 



Wintermute_1 #7 Posted 19 July 2018 - 09:19 AM

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The fine for a second hit on the same ally tank should be x4 and a third hit x10. That'd dissuade intentional team damage. You'd have to exclude certain low tier rapidly firing guns tho.

Sirebellus #8 Posted 19 July 2018 - 09:41 AM

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I thought that if you did team damage you paid a bigger 'Fine' in Creds and XP than the damaged party got anyway ?

I do like the idea of increasing it per hit like Wintermute said above - to avoid autofiring gun problems wouldn't you just need to put a time reset on it, say 2.5secs - no normal gun fires that fast, and it's long enough to turn an auto cannon away from an accidental team hit

Wintermute_1 #9 Posted 19 July 2018 - 10:37 AM

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View PostSirebellus, on 19 July 2018 - 09:41 AM, said:

I thought that if you did team damage you paid a bigger 'Fine' in Creds and XP than the damaged party got anyway ?

I do like the idea of increasing it per hit like Wintermute said above - to avoid autofiring gun problems wouldn't you just need to put a time reset on it, say 2.5secs - no normal gun fires that fast, and it's long enough to turn an auto cannon away from an accidental team hit

 

Yep I think that'd work fine.

Geno1isme #10 Posted 19 July 2018 - 10:39 AM

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View PostSirebellus, on 19 July 2018 - 10:41 AM, said:

I do like the idea of increasing it per hit like Wintermute said above - to avoid autofiring gun problems wouldn't you just need to put a time reset on it, say 2.5secs - no normal gun fires that fast, and it's long enough to turn an auto cannon away from an accidental team hit

 

The problem isn't just autocannons. It's very rare, but if you set a tank on fire and he isn't using an extinguisher each tick counts as a separate hit for example. Not sure about ramming damage.

And there are normal guns with reloads even below two seconds like on the Matilda.

 

One could try to detect if the team damage was done on purpose by checking if there was an enemy in the general direction of the shot, but that is rather expensive to compute (and could also be abused).



Homer_J #11 Posted 19 July 2018 - 10:41 AM

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View PostRittmeister39, on 19 July 2018 - 08:07 AM, said:

Seriously, that's not a compensation when you get exactly/only the amount the repairs cost.

You should instead get at least paid 4 times the damage cost, because a) it was most likely done maliciously and b) wtf you got also robbed of a victory maybe and doing more damage, and c) maybe the person learns not to do stupid things.

 

You get 50% more if you have premium.

 

If you start making it profitable to get team damaged then people will start driving into your shot on purpose.



Jigabachi #12 Posted 19 July 2018 - 10:42 AM

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You really don't need to be a genius to understand why the compensation is that low, so maybe spend 10 seconds thinking about your idea before posting?
It would enable trolls to actually earn money with their nonsense.

Instead of that, WG should increase the penalty for the shooter, based on the amount of hits or damage done.

Hero_of_Tython #13 Posted 19 July 2018 - 12:50 PM

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I think the penalty for causing team damage should be much higher both in credits & XP. We need to punish the idiots that cause it rather than encouraging players to dive in front of each others guns to farms so quick credits.

ignaskarate #14 Posted 19 July 2018 - 02:31 PM

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View PostRittmeister39, on 19 July 2018 - 07:07 AM, said:

Seriously, that's not a compensation when you get exactly/only the amount the repairs cost.

You should instead get at least paid 4 times the damage cost, because a) it was most likely done maliciously and b) wtf you got also robbed of a victory maybe and doing more damage, and c) maybe the person learns not to do stupid things.

 

it is 2 times higher, because the one who did damage pays out 2x repair price and you receive only 1. I noticed that playing with friend, he was charged for 6000 and i received 3000.

vixu #15 Posted 19 July 2018 - 02:38 PM

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View PostRittmeister39, on 19 July 2018 - 08:07 AM, said:

Seriously, that's not a compensation when you get exactly/only the amount the repairs cost.

You should instead get at least paid 4 times the damage cost, because a) it was most likely done maliciously and b) wtf you got also robbed of a victory maybe and doing more damage, and c) maybe the person learns not to do stupid things.

 

- most team damage that I do is because of some gifted player gets int he line of fire, just to get a bite first. 

- if team damage will give you more then your repair costs, then getting on the line of fire of your allies will would actually be profitable. 

 



Rittmeister39 #16 Posted 20 July 2018 - 03:23 AM

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I agree, it would of course be abused. Didn't think of that.

That sucks.

But on the other hand, seriously, if you can get trolled that easily and constantly shoot a tank driving in front of you... well, maybe it happens once, but if you do that more often you're really a noob. Nothing against noobs, but I don't think it would be so easy to abuse and have noobs shoot you. Arty of course is blind when in satellite mode, but also, if they do it twice they are dumb anyway.


Edited by Rittmeister39, 20 July 2018 - 08:25 AM.





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