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Bmilan_NIL #1 Posted 19 July 2018 - 11:26 AM

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Do you recommend the S.Conq or the Chinese one? Which tier tanks are bad in their tree?

Dava_117 #2 Posted 19 July 2018 - 11:42 AM

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It's said all the Churchills tanks are quite bad, so tier 5 to 7.

Didn't hear anything about chinese HTs, but you can't really compare the 3 tier 10: SConq is mainly an hulldown tank, 113 is a powercrept heavyum while 5A is a top notch heavyum.



MeNoobTank #3 Posted 19 July 2018 - 12:13 PM

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In the chinese tree from my impresion:

 

tier 5: Type T-34 - very good tank, feels even better than the russian counterpart but I think they are kinda similar. Very mobile, fast firing, sometimes armor can bounce.

 

tier 6: Type 58 - plays very much like the russian counterpart T-34-85 but slightly worse. It dos not get the top gun of the russian T-34-85 so it has less pen and worse accuracy. You can free exp this one, is not very good but is manegeable.

 

Tier 7: IS-2 - The first heavy tank from the line, and one of the best heavy tanks in tier 7. You do not even need to fully upgrade with the top turret since it only adds just 50 more hp or something. Imo is better than the russian IS. It has better frontal armor and feels faster.

 

Tier 8: 110 - the worst tank from this line. I highly recomend free xp this pos. It is nothing like IS-3. On paper looks like it should be faster mobility, better armor IS-3 but is not. Is a big, slow, paper pinatta for the enemy. Armor works only by luck from time to time but usually equal tier and higher pen you like cheese. You cannot sidescrape because of very thin side armor and long pike cheeks. Gun is also awful with very bad aim time and worst accuracy that will miss most of the shots even from very short distance. Has one of the lowest alpha (320) and lowest pens (215) Depression is also very bad, you always need to go you back against walls or rocks to point aim down.

 

Tier 9: Not bought it yet because I wait for 15% sale, never played it.

 

Tier 10: WZ- 111 Model 5A - played it on test server and is one of my favorite Tier X. This tank is often played in clan wars for a reason. It has coppy gun of IS-7 if you are familiar with that - big boomstik with high alpha, kinda low pen, not so good accuracy. The pros of this one is the medium like mobility. Armor can sometimes work. I bounced alot even on supertest when everyone is prem ammo loaded. The turret is as espected very good.


Edited by MeNoobTank, 19 July 2018 - 12:15 PM.


DangerMouse #4 Posted 19 July 2018 - 01:20 PM

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I like a traditional Oak, provides lovely shade on a hot summers day.

 

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unhappy_bunny #5 Posted 19 July 2018 - 04:13 PM

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View PostDangerMouse, on 19 July 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

I like a traditional Oak, provides lovely shade on a hot summers day.

 

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I'd agree, but can you imagine the rage threads being started when a little snowflakes has an acorn drop on his head? 

 

That aside from the problem of being overrun by (secret) Squirrels. 



Nishi_Kinuyo #6 Posted 19 July 2018 - 04:46 PM

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Both lines have trash tanks in the mid-tiers.

China:

Type T-34 is even more rubbish than the savyet counterpart due to less gun depression.

Type 58 is even more crippled in comparison due to only 128mm pen on its top gun.

IS-2 has worse hull armour, or so it would appear, possibly slower as well than the savyet counterpart.

But hey, look on the bright side; at least the tier 3 and 4 tanks are pretty decent.

 

British:

The mediums are made out of tissue paper, so they'll cry whenever they see something firing HE, cannons are also nothing special.

Matilda is a broken tank; good gun, decent armour, too slow to really get anywhere if your team steamrolls. Tends to be overwhelmed when your team is the one getting steamrolled.

Churchill I is at least faster so it might get somewhere in time, but has unreliable armour against sametiers and higher. Barely any gundep either.

Churchill VII is more of the same but slower; not much pen for a heavy tank either. Still no gundep.

Ditto for the Black Prince; its even slower than the Churchill VII, with again pretty low pen for its tier (medium-tank levels). Gets gundep again.

 

Also; paulownia.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 19 July 2018 - 04:48 PM.


Comrade_Renamon #7 Posted 19 July 2018 - 05:22 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 19 July 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

Both lines have trash tanks in the mid-tiers.

China:

Type T-34 is even more rubbish than the savyet counterpart due to less gun depression.

Type 58 is even more crippled in comparison due to only 128mm pen on its top gun.

IS-2 has worse hull armour, or so it would appear, possibly slower as well than the savyet counterpart.

But hey, look on the bright side; at least the tier 3 and 4 tanks are pretty decent.

 

I'd say that the IS-2 is on par with the IS (using the 122mm gun) if not a bit better:

- On flat ground it will keep up with the IS and even overtake it due to the IS being capped at 34-35kph

- Has better traverse and is lighter so it will turn better

- 250mm HEAT penetration beats 217mm APCR in a lot of situations especially when you are bottom tier, you just need to avoid spaced armour/tracks.

 

If one uses the 100mm on the IS than it is arguably a better tank imho, the 100mm is just that good.

The Type-T-34 gets a lot of hate and I'm not sure why, you trade 3 degrees of gun depression (and for some reason 5mm less side armour?) for:

- Better mobility (turns faster than the t-34)

- Better gun handling

I think it is a good medium tank if you can handle the gun depression.

 

Type 58 I agree, it has been majorly powercrept, it was always inferior to the T-34-85 but manageable with the extra DPM, Mobility+view range combo, but at this point now it is really just a meh medium at the tier.

The 110 (T8 heavy) is also a tank that was powercrept and ignored, it used to be a more DPM focused tank with a great pike nose (weaker lower plate) but after the IS-3 buff in armour it is not so great anymore, also super high penetration TDs were introduced that can punch right through it.

The WZ-111-1-4 is a great package of a heavyum, turret is solid, penetration is good enough, Alpha is great and it gets places.

I'd say the Tier 6 and the Tier 8 are the downers.

Whereas on the British tree the T5-T7 are not really great, T8-T10 they are good to great as far as I'm aware so imho try that line first.


Edited by Comrade_Renamon, 19 July 2018 - 05:23 PM.


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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 19 July 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

IS-2 has worse hull armour, or so it would appear, possibly slower as well than the savyet counterpart.

It has sloped armor unlike the regular IS so the front armor is just as good if anything



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Japanese heavies, good tanks starts from tier V and up, from tier I to IV it's pain in the [edited]

Bmilan_NIL #10 Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:34 AM

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I only use gold ammo so the pen doesn't matter rather the mobility and armor, gund handling.

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View PostDangerMouse, on 19 July 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

I like a traditional Oak, provides lovely shade on a hot summers day.

 

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Beat me to it



arthurwellsley #12 Posted 20 July 2018 - 11:49 AM

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1. I have played all the tanks in both lines. I own both tier X vehicles. They are both good.

 

China Heavy tech tree line

tier 5: Type T-34 - Not as good as the RASHA version but still decent in tier.

tier 6: Type 58 - Not as good as the T34-85 and suffers with poor gun depression.

Tier 7: IS-2 - The first heavy tank from the line, and one of the best heavy tanks in tier 7. The angles on the armour mean that if played well it will out perform the RASHA IS, but needs good gameplay.

Tier 8: 110 - A worse IS3 for the most part. Given how good the IS3 is, that means the 110 is an averagely good tier VIII heavy.

Tier 9: WZ 111 1-4 - is a very fine tier IX heavy tank. Do not let yourself over extend with the speed and you will be fine.

Tier 10: WZ- 111 Model 5A - is a very good tier X, and to prove it, it is a very popular pick by Clans in Clan Wars battles.

 

UK Heavy tech tree line

tier 5: Churchill I - slow.

tier 6: Churchill VII - also slow.

tier 7: Black Prince - still slow.

tier 8: Caenarvon - This got buffed after I played it. The low alpha, high dpm looks very good, although many will argue that alpha and not dpm is better for a heavy tank. Still slow. A pity it did not get a better turret.

tier 9: Conqueror - here is where it gets good. Once full upgraded this is a very fun tank to grind through.

tier 10; Super Conqueror - a good tier X tank. Again frequently chosen by clans for Clan Wars battles. Excellent turret, not so good hull.

 

2. Conclusion - Which? = Both.



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View PostBmilan_NIL, on 20 July 2018 - 11:34 AM, said:

I only use gold ammo so the pen doesn't matter rather the mobility and armor, gund handling.

 

then the chinese line is for you. They got lower pen with regular ammo than the Brits in high tiers but prem ammo is prem ammo. Mobility and alpha damage are better on chinese tanks. Downside is the gun depression. 

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View PostBmilan_NIL, on 20 July 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

I only use gold ammo so the pen doesn't matter rather the mobility and armor, gund handling.

 

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 20 July 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

tier 8: Caenarvon - This got buffed after I played it. The low alpha, high dpm looks very good, although many will argue that alpha and not dpm is better for a heavy tank. Still slow. A pity it did not get a better turret.

 

If I recall it got the buffed Centurion turret that makes it a hull down menace in the tier now. Pair that with better reload than a Tiger I a tier lower (you can get the reload down to 5.14-5.37 seconds) for 280 alpha makes the tank imho from a bottom tier 8 heavy to one of the best.



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