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Poll: Does it need a BUFF ? (103 members have cast votes)

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Do you think Leopard 1 needs somekind of BUFF ?

  1. Definitively (62 votes [51.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.24%

  2. Yes (44 votes [36.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.36%

  3. No (15 votes [12.40%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.40%

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_Lupin #1 Posted 19 July 2018 - 11:57 AM

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Just to know what the community thinks about the current state and performances of the LEOPARD 1.

Simeon85 #2 Posted 19 July 2018 - 12:04 PM

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Of course it does, pretty much everyone knows that, except WG who inexplicably think that buffing it would somehow make it OP.

 

As we can see it's performing horribly for the majority of players -

 

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Only super unicums can get any sort of decent performance from it and even then they'd be better off in many other tier 10 meds. 

 

It long has been discussed how to buff it, the best suggestion I have seen is to give it higher alpha, higher pen, higher shell velocity, much higher accuracy and better soft stats so it becomes this hard hitting very reliable medium to long range tank with clear advantages in this area over other meds.

 

I think it was DrOolen with the suggestion IIRC, something like -

 

  • 420 or 450 alpha
  • 1700 m/s shell velocity
  • 0.24 accuracy
  • 280-290 standard pen
  • Bit lower DPM
  • Faster aim time and like 0.06 dispersion on the turret. 

 

 


Edited by Simeon85, 19 July 2018 - 12:08 PM.


KAOS8989 #3 Posted 19 July 2018 - 12:17 PM

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yesterday got mine.. but I did not had time play only 1 game in it...

since has paper armor.. I would like bigger alpha dmg... other then that I think is fair tank... 

leopard PTA always got ammo rack ... I think I did not had any game without getting ammo rack at least once... if leo 1 is the same... reduce a little bit the chances to get ammo rack..


Edited by KAOS8989, 19 July 2018 - 12:17 PM.


MeNoobTank #4 Posted 19 July 2018 - 12:20 PM

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Votted both - Definitvely and Yes because why not.

 

P.S: I do not have high hopes in a buff because remember, the slightest buff would make this OP, so not gonna happen.


Edited by MeNoobTank, 19 July 2018 - 12:21 PM.


Emeraldweed #5 Posted 19 July 2018 - 12:32 PM

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View PostKAOS8989, on 19 July 2018 - 02:17 PM, said:

yesterday got mine.. but I did not had time play only 1 game in it...

since has paper armor.. I would like bigger alpha dmg... other then that I think is fair tank... 

leopard PTA always got ammo rack ... I think I did not had any game without getting ammo rack at least once... if leo 1 is the same... reduce a little bit the chances to get ammo rack..

 

i love both PTA + leo1 sadly i don't perform the same  in them, the reason?  Leo1 has higher silhouette and its easier to shoot at, so the only way to  perform better is to get good soft stats when it comes to the gun so it can minimize  it's exposure, other than that its alpha its good as it is 

Graeme0 #6 Posted 19 July 2018 - 12:40 PM

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If you are serious about giving WG the opinion of the players, why have such a biased poll??

 



r0f #7 Posted 19 July 2018 - 12:50 PM

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How about a total re-balance of power-creep'd vehicles - premium and non-premium, pmm and non-pmm - plus after that mega re-balance we stop the power-creep and releases nice stuff again? Can we have nice variation stuff again instead of bait which messes with tier balance? :unsure:

 

Aw heck just make it jump higher with a bigger engine that'd be great :D

 

 

 

 



DaddysLittlePrincess #8 Posted 19 July 2018 - 12:52 PM

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View PostGraeme0, on 19 July 2018 - 11:40 AM, said:

If you are serious about giving WG the opinion of the players, why have such a biased poll??

 

 

It's biased and illogical (you can choose all answer). It perfectly fits WG standards. 

pudelikael #9 Posted 19 July 2018 - 12:54 PM

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NO and because buffing and nerfing is stupid idea. This is cheating on players. 

 

Good           BAD

PTA             LEO1

AMX30        AMX30B

Type61       STB1

T54             OBJ140

BCAP          BC25t

AMX1390     AMX105

 

t10 is pointless to play, play t9 and no need buffing and nerfing


Edited by pudelikael, 19 July 2018 - 12:57 PM.


vasilinhorulezz #10 Posted 19 July 2018 - 01:01 PM

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Make it tier 9,

get a newer version like A4 for tier 10.



__SLICK__ #11 Posted 19 July 2018 - 01:01 PM

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An extra 5 hp/t and faster aiming gun would keep it still fairly unique but much more enjoyable without buffing it too far.

HaZardeur #12 Posted 19 July 2018 - 01:06 PM

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Voted no as according to WG a buff would make it borderline OP :trollface:

Sfinski #13 Posted 19 July 2018 - 01:23 PM

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View Postpudelikael, on 19 July 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

NO and because buffing and nerfing is stupid idea. This is cheating on players. 

 

Good           BAD

PTA             LEO1

AMX30        AMX30B

Type61       STB1

T54             OBJ140

BCAP          BC25t

AMX1390     AMX105

 

t10 is pointless to play, play t9 and no need buffing and nerfing

 

140 and BC bad? What are you smoking? Those two are one of the top dogs at t10...

Hedgehog1963 #14 Posted 19 July 2018 - 01:40 PM

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WG want you to grind another Tier X tank which you think will be better.

tank276 #15 Posted 19 July 2018 - 01:45 PM

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View Postpudelikael, on 19 July 2018 - 11:54 AM, said:

NO and because buffing and nerfing is stupid idea. This is cheating on players. 

 

Good           BAD

PTA             LEO1

AMX30        AMX30B

Type61       STB1

T54             OBJ140

BCAP          BC25t

AMX1390     AMX105

 

t10 is pointless to play, play t9 and no need buffing and nerfing

 

Type 61 is considered good?

And what @Sfinski said about obj 140 and BC 25.



Simeon85 #16 Posted 19 July 2018 - 01:49 PM

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View PostEmeraldweed, on 19 July 2018 - 12:32 PM, said:

 

i love both PTA + leo1 sadly i don't perform the same  in them, the reason?  Leo1 has higher silhouette and its easier to shoot at, so the only way to  perform better is to get good soft stats when it comes to the gun so it can minimize  it's exposure, other than that its alpha its good as it is 

 

PTA just has all the benefits of being a tier 9, more balanced tier, less OP armoured monsters about and the penetration, alpha, mobility from the PTA to Leo 1 barely changes so your 390 alpha with near 270 pen is more effective shooting at tier 7 and 8 tanks than the mainly tier 9 and 10 you get in the Leo. 

fwhaatpiraat #17 Posted 19 July 2018 - 02:04 PM

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Pta is dank. It has been buffed 3 or 4 times, in nearly every aspect besides armor. That might be the reason why the leo1 feels so lackluster.

Cobra6 #18 Posted 19 July 2018 - 03:28 PM

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Everyone with a brain knows the Leopard is one of the worst performing Tier 10 mediums but as Simeon pointed out Wargaming stated they could not buff it because it would become OP.

 

Meanwhile they release the K-91 however that has the gun handling and DPM the Leopard1 should have.

 

I mean, *LOOK* at this nonsense!

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 19 July 2018 - 03:32 PM.


vasilinhorulezz #19 Posted 19 July 2018 - 03:31 PM

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View PostSfinski, on 19 July 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

 

140 and BC bad? What are you smoking? Those two are one of the top dogs at t10...

 

Not anymore, 430U and 907 are probably outclassing the 140,

and Pogetto is probably the best autoloader nowadays (not that I'm implying they're bad).



Sfinski #20 Posted 19 July 2018 - 03:39 PM

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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 19 July 2018 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

Not anymore, 430U and 907 are probably outclassing the 140,

and Pogetto is probably the best autoloader nowadays (not that I'm implying they're bad).

 

One of the, not the top. Also, I never take into account reward tanks. 




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