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ValkyrionX #1 Posted 19 July 2018 - 04:15 PM

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I would like to create a new computer to play ( not only wot ) , assembled by me with this configuration, the one I currently use is really disgusting and is at least 8 years old.... 

spoiler sites are indicative and not those where to buy at the lowest price.
doing research I could assemble this computer with about 1000/1100 euro, what do you think? is it worth it?

 

 

Mobo: AsRock Z270 Extreme 4 (ATX format)

 

CPU : i7 7700K 4.2 ghz  "Kaby Lake" 7th generation

 

CPU Cooling; Cooler MasterLiquid 120mm

 

RAM: DDR4 Crucial Ballistix 2400 mhz  4gb x 2

 

Storage; x2 Intel SSD ULTRA M2 PCIe nvme 128GB  (plus a HDD sata of Western Digital 1TB and a SSD sata Kingstone 256gb that I already have)

 

  1. Storage Cooling; HDD cooling 2 fans AK
  2. UM2 Active Cooling x2 

 

 

PSU: Corsair TX750M 750W ATX modular 

 

GPU; Palit GTX 1050 Ti 4gb Dual fan OC

 

 

Chassis; Empire Gaming Warfare , with three 120mm fans already installed + leds


Edited by ValkyrionX, 19 July 2018 - 04:18 PM.


Tyrgrim #2 Posted 19 July 2018 - 04:27 PM

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Downgrade motherboard and processor so you at least get a GTX 1060. For PSU 550-650w should be enough unless you are going to add alot of other internal components and extra SSDs.



Nishi_Kinuyo #3 Posted 19 July 2018 - 04:32 PM

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Get an 8th Gen CPU instead if its about the same price.

From a quick check, the difference is only a few dozen euro between the 7700K and the 8700K.

 

GPUs can always be upgraded later when you got more budget.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 19 July 2018 - 04:34 PM.


ValkyrionX #4 Posted 19 July 2018 - 04:43 PM

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8700k have had too many security problems and reduced performance on windows systems then fixed but if the flaws are of harware type I would never buy one. if I had to change the setup I would have to change ram and mobo because they would not be compatible with 8th cpu intel gen

Edited by ValkyrionX, 19 July 2018 - 04:45 PM.


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Probably best to say what you want out of this set-up first.

vixu #6 Posted 19 July 2018 - 04:53 PM

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So... you get yourself a fast processor, little RAM, mediocre gfx card....

 

This rig is about nothing.

 

If you want a pure gaming machine - get yourself better gfx card.

If you want workstation first - get 32 gigs of RAM.

 

It is a waste to have less then 16gigs of RAM.


Edited by vixu, 19 July 2018 - 04:54 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #7 Posted 19 July 2018 - 05:09 PM

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View Postvixu, on 19 July 2018 - 04:53 PM, said:

It is a waste to have less then 16gigs of RAM.

 

8GB would be more than adequate for any game out there. More than that is completely unnecessary.



Robbie_T #8 Posted 19 July 2018 - 05:17 PM

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Get yourself a good motherboard good proccesor.

Rams you can take 16 gig now and upgrade it later.easy to do and not that much money

Gfx card get a gen before the newest.

i bought a nvidia gtx280 for a lot of cash thing was outdated fast and broke after 3 years..(hate nvidia made cards they all closed up with 1 fan.

i opent the card after it was broke and was just 1 big web of thick dust that was trapped there  overheating my videocard.

when it broke i bought a  Asus gtx 760 2gig on sale for 180 euro more open design 2 fans and still going strong 4 to 5 years later .

So for me proccesor and motherboard are most important the rest you can upgrade after eazy.

upgrading motherboard and proccesor always the biggest bill.(if you dont go full nerd with 2 titan video cards)

 

 


Edited by Robbie_T, 19 July 2018 - 05:19 PM.


jack_timber #9 Posted 19 July 2018 - 05:19 PM

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Built one for myself a few months ago.

I was going to use an I7 but got a Ryzen 5, 6 core, instead then put what I saved and got a better GPU, 1060 instead of 1050.



Mko #10 Posted 19 July 2018 - 05:24 PM

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I don't think this is a good build at all.

I'll be back soon with something that I think will be vastly better.



Mko #11 Posted 19 July 2018 - 06:11 PM

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Alright, here we go. I put together a list of components on Alza.sk in English. We can fine tune it, but I think it's a really good starting point.

 

Here's the list: https://www.alza.sk/...6567726F69637C5

 

Here's the why:

  • i5 8400 is an amazing bang for the buck for gaming. Unless you are chasing 120 fps+ gaming, you don't need more. Considering your budget, you can't really go for 120+ fps gaming. In WOT you might actually be able to do 120 fps with this, I can't know for sure, but that doesn't matter. The i7 7700K is now really overpriced for what it offers. If you need more CPU performance for something other than gaming, then AMD Ryzen is the way to go.
  • I may have put a bit too much in the motherboard, but I went for something relatively nice, and with a lot of USB ports at the back. Really it's all you need.
  • 16 GB RAM is a no-brainer. Trust me, you do want 16 even for gaming these days.
  • I picked a reasonable air cooler for the CPU. There's no need to go into water unless you would do some big OC, but you would need a different CPU for OC and really OC is not worth it these days.
  • I picked RX 580 because it's overall a tiny bit more powerful than the GTX 1060 and it's at a better price. If you are an nVidia fanboy, though, feel free to go for 1060.
  • 250 GB SSD for system and maybe a few games. Samsung because they have the best SSDs now.
  • 2TB HDD for some storage or more games.
  • A decent PSU with some upgradeability in mind. 650W is enough for you to upgrade to a top of the line GPU in the future.
  • A rather pretty case.

 

Anyway, I don't know how much you are willing to spend. There are still possibilities how to make the rig better or give it more longevity, most importantly a stronger CPU. At the same time, this should serve all your gaming needs for roughly 2 years in 1920x1080. After that you may need to upgrade your GPU. After roughly 4 years from now, you may want to upgrade the rest of the system, too. It will be fine even for longer, but what I am saying is that I am confident that you will get at least as much lifetime from the components.

 

An interesting upgrade (if you can part with more money) would be to get a 250GB or 500GB SSD for games, if you want to have a lot of games installed. SATA SSD would be enough, no need to go full in for M.2.


Edited by Mko, 19 July 2018 - 06:13 PM.


vixu #12 Posted 19 July 2018 - 06:12 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 19 July 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:

 

 

8GB would be more than adequate for any game out there. More than that is completely unnecessary.

 

along same lines, i7-7700k is an overkill for gaming.

axell92108 #13 Posted 19 July 2018 - 06:53 PM

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Your CPU will get bottlenecked by the 1050 Ti, therefore you will waste your money on an i7 processor that will run the same as an i5.

 

Better get 1060 with an i5......you also don't need a 750W power supply, 500 should be enough



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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 19 July 2018 - 04:09 PM, said:

 

 

8GB would be more than adequate for any game out there. More than that is completely unnecessary.

 

Not enough for 2016+ games

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I have an I7 7700k in one of my rigs, it's a solid CPU that I've never had any issues with, same with the I7 7700HQ which I got in one of my laptops, I would have no issues staying with either for a couple of years. 8GB of RAM however is minimum these days, I'd go with 16GB instead, or at least a single 8GB stick so you easily just can get another 8GB stick later on when you feel you need it. The 1050 TI is not something I would invest in now, it's a solid card sure, but it have been surpassed by so much that it's on it's way out, I'd rather look at an 1060, preferably an 6GB version, got a couple my self and they are a nice sweet-spot between price and performance.

 

View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 19 July 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:

 

 

8GB would be more than adequate for any game out there. More than that is completely unnecessary.

 

Plenty of games 2015/2016 and above utilize more RAM than 8GB, sure you can always work around that with an fast SSD and the swap/page file, but that's not optimal, especially for the lifespan of the SSD.

Isharial #16 Posted 19 July 2018 - 07:12 PM

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View PostValkyrionX, on 19 July 2018 - 04:15 PM, said:

I would like to create a new computer to play ( not only wot ) , assembled by me with this configuration, the one I currently use is really disgusting and is at least 8 years old.... 

spoiler sites are indicative and not those where to buy at the lowest price.
doing research I could assemble this computer with about 1000/1100 euro, what do you think? is it worth it?

 

 

Mobo: AsRock Z270 Extreme 4 (ATX format)

 

CPU : i7 7700K 4.2 ghz  "Kaby Lake" 7th generation

 

CPU Cooling; Cooler MasterLiquid 120mm

 

RAM: DDR4 Crucial Ballistix 2400 mhz  4gb x 2

 

Storage; x2 Intel SSD ULTRA M2 PCIe nvme 128GB  (plus a HDD sata of Western Digital 1TB and a SSD sata Kingstone 256gb that I already have)

 

  1. Storage Cooling; HDD cooling 2 fans AK
  2. UM2 Active Cooling x2 

 

 

PSU: Corsair TX750M 750W ATX modular 

 

GPU; Palit GTX 1050 Ti 4gb Dual fan OC

 

 

Chassis; Empire Gaming Warfare , with three 120mm fans already installed + leds

the PC is as fast as the slowest part, so there is little point going for the processor, when you have a 1050 in there etc..

 

how hot is your room? the average temp would suffice.

3 fans I would not trust if your room temp is close to 22C. heavy gaming would mean that gfx card would be up in the high 80C (not good) and with just 2 frontal 120mm's that's not going to last long, given that cooler would  replace the rear exhaust fan, so all the heat from the PC will be vented through your processor heat sink (oh dear)

 

I don't see any extra fans in here? that's a no go for me

 

 

2 128gb ssd's? don't do it. (I once made that mistake) go with a 250gb for your windows/OS drive, and whack a second one as secondary storage for often used programs and the 1TB for everything else (though id ditch that WD since I cant stand the cheap crap they make, but that's a long story and involves multiple failed drives)

 

PSU, perfect choice

 

CPU? tbf I think its too powerful for the quality of the rest of the system, and it would be wasted money

 

 

my personal recommendations?

 

1) 1060 graphics card as a minimum. don't go lower. 3Gb is the same as the 6Gb for most games (the 6GB is 0.1 fps better in GTA to put it into perspective) though id lean towards a 1070 if you can afford it as it can later be SLI unlike the 1060 which doesn't have that capability

2) better case. spend more, get bigger, load it with as many fans as it can take. seriously, I mean that. most fans are super quiet now and don't sound like scooters, there's zero reasons not to fill the spaces up (and the cooler environment would let the equipment last longer (less stretching and shrinking due to heat)) so it might even save you money in the long term

3) don't use 120mm water cooling units. use a 240mm radiator variant and get a case that can take it on the roof. that way leaving the exhaust to do what its meant to.

4) use Passmark (a website) to check the scores of processors and graphics cards. they help bench it against other potential purchases, and might sway you one way or another.

 

i'll help as much as I can, as these are large investments :)

 

 

 



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View PostSuedKAT, on 19 July 2018 - 07:05 PM, said:

I have an I7 7700k in one of my rigs, it's a solid CPU that I've never had any issues with, same with the I7 7700HQ which I got in one of my laptops, I would have no issues staying with either for a couple of years. 8GB of RAM however is minimum these days, I'd go with 16GB instead, or at least a single 8GB stick so you easily just can get another 8GB stick later on when you feel you need it. The 1050 TI is not something I would invest in now, it's a solid card sure, but it have been surpassed by so much that it's on it's way out, I'd rather look at an 1060, preferably an 6GB version, got a couple my self and they are a nice sweet-spot between price and performance.

 

 

Plenty of games 2015/2016 and above utilize more RAM than 8GB, sure you can always work around that with an fast SSD and the swap/page file, but that's not optimal, especially for the lifespan of the SSD.

 

just like to add that 16gb is most likely the lowest limit I consider for a new build, given 8gb is now the minimum most games want, and windows already takes 1/2gb depending on OS variant, you have the extra bit for other running programs at that time.

 

agree with the rest, though im more of an AMD fan over Intel



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View PostIsharial, on 19 July 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

 

just like to add that 16gb is most likely the lowest limit I consider for a new build, given 8gb is now the minimum most games want, and windows already takes 1/2gb depending on OS variant, you have the extra bit for other running programs at that time.

 

agree with the rest, though im more of an AMD fan over Intel

 

I get most Intel and Nvidia stuff for free due to work, I've had AMD in the past and didn't really notice much difference (som variants from both brands have issues (mainly excessive heat), but most don't) except one thing, there are quite a few games out there that are very well optimized for Intel and Nvidia, but have issues on AMD platforms. Or at least you have to wait a while for an AMD patch to arrive, so that annoyed me, so for now I'll stick with Intel and Nvidia until they annoy me for some reason. I also prefer the overall stronger single core performance of Intel vs AMD since I play many games "from the past" that benefit from that quite a bit. However now a days both are a valid choice, it's more down how you intend to utilize them than one being better than the other I'd say.

Edited by SuedKAT, 19 July 2018 - 07:24 PM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #19 Posted 19 July 2018 - 07:25 PM

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Think one has to ask a rather silly question; but what's the most CPU/GPU-intensive game the OP plans on playing?

I mean, if its just for WoT, then it is rather overkill to get what he picked.

View PostValkyrionX, on 19 July 2018 - 04:43 PM, said:

8700k have had too many security problems and reduced performance on windows systems then fixed but if the flaws are of harware type I would never buy one. if I had to change the setup I would have to change ram and mobo because they would not be compatible with 8th cpu intel gen

You vastly overestimate how much of an issue that meltdown thingy and the associated fix has on CPU performance:

https://www.reddit.c...s_before_after/

Plus, older Intel CPUs are also affected; including the 7700K.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 19 July 2018 - 07:30 PM.


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