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Is the "Tier 8 Premium" concept ruining tier 8 mm?

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PervyPastryPuffer #1 Posted 23 July 2018 - 05:38 PM

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Tier:--LT--MT--HT--TD-SPG-Total/Prem
Tier10: 5, 20, 20, 15, 5 = 65 / 11
Tier 9: 5, 15, 14, 12, 5 = 51 / 1
Tier 8: 8, 34, 29, 18, 5 = 94 / 47
Tier 7: 8, 13, 13, 18, 6 = 58 / 14
Tier 6: 7, 25, 12, 13, 5 = 62 / 18
Tier 5: 5, 24, 11, 11, 6 = 57 / 17

 

Here's a chart. I counted all the tanks from tier 10 down to tier 5 and separated them by type, and in the total count you can see the total amount of tanks per tier, and how many of those are premiums.

 

I excluded extremely rare tanks and I counted those that were sold either with or without a skin (eg. Patriot, Liberté, Black Edition tanks) as one.

 

Tier 9 has only one non-standard tank on the EU server, the T 55A... There's a premium chinese TD on the chinese server too but I didn't count it, as it's not on the EU server.

 

Is it time to start selling tier 9 premiums??? Or stop creating multiple premiums of the same type and nation in a single tier? Just kickstarting a brainstorm. Maybe there are better ways to monetize the game? Ways that wouldn't be so unhealthy for the matchmaker and the balance of the game in general.

 

Examples of duplicate nonsense at tier 8:

China has 3 premium meds, 2 premium heavies.

France has 3 premium meds, 3 premium heavies. (though to be fair, one of each are autoloaders)

Germany contains correct amounts of premiums for each line in the tree, with the only exception being the Kanonenjagdpanzer as an unnecessary extra, but that thing's too rare to count.

Japan is missing a premium heavy at tier 8 :trollface: ...but the tier 6 japanese Tiger does the job just fine.

Sweden is also missing a premium heavy, but it would be another autoloader...:unsure:moving on-

UK has two premium meds, no heavies, since Caravan AX premium heavy still hasn't appeared, no TDs.

USA... 3 variations of the Pershing chassis, 4 heavy tanks, two of which are mutated ridiculousness :confused: and one is cosplaying as a medium tank...in a 4th variation of the Pershing chassis. :facepalm:

USSR...the means to an ends... 3 mediums, though they fit each branch end so disregard that. 6 heavy tanks...(5 if you don't count Kreslavskiy) An IS-3A, no loader so as a crew trainer it's pointless, IS-6 is utterly useless, just screams "Press 2!" (oh look we've reached the next line :hiding:) but even that's not enough most of the time, and in current meta its armor is garbage. No proper TDs, what ever happened to the ISU-130 or the KV-4 KTTS?



_LEO_ #2 Posted 23 July 2018 - 05:48 PM

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No, ******** 3/5/7MM is ruining t8mm.

Take t10 tank and go earn some bonds, it's almost impossible, 3/5/7 all day long.



PervyPastryPuffer #3 Posted 23 July 2018 - 06:00 PM

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View Post_LEO_, on 23 July 2018 - 05:48 PM, said:

No, ******** 3/5/7MM is ruining t8mm.

Take t10 tank and go earn some bonds, it's almost impossible, 3/5/7 all day long.

 

Hah, yeah, take a tier 8 premium and go earn a decent amount of credits, it's almost impossible, 3/5/7 all day long.

 

Too many tier 8s, too little tier 10s and tier 9s.

 

I hear every time: "Tier 9 is the best tier" But why? Simply because they can't face tanks two tiers higher than them or because they meet so many tier 8's, they're almost constantly feasting on their poor souls? Also, what ever happened to Grand Battles for tier 10s and the incredible bond-earning potential in that mode? Oh, people disabled it...



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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 23 July 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

Is it time to start selling tier 9 premiums??? 

 

I'm guessing the price jump for a prem tier 9 HT would be rather big. And the income jump needs to be worth it for people to spend that much. And the "rushing tiers" argument might pop up I suspect. 

 

View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 23 July 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

Or stop creating multiple premiums of the same type and nation in a single tier? 

 

Some have a different style vs the other tier 8. Like the CDC vs the Lorr etc, or even the two premium tier 8 German HT's. Not everyone likes the slow super heavy style of play vs the Lowe. And thus some don't buy both or have little interest in most of them. That and you can only sell that many of one premium after having it in store for that long. If there were no duplicates. WG would have to find another way to keep the game going in the long run. 

 

So with regards to MM, you would only push the issue on a different tier in the long run. Or it would make zero difference, as the number of premiums available won't reduce the ppl that play them. If we only had one tier 8 premium. Half the tier 8 matches would be full of that one instead. But tbh, it's the 3-5-7 MM that ruins it. Even more so for Pref MM tanks. As my IS-6 sees more pure tier 8 games full of 220mm armor HT's then +1 games or top tier +2 games. It's why I don't play it. And a tier 9 premium would not fix that. 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 23 July 2018 - 06:25 PM.


Wintermute_1 #5 Posted 23 July 2018 - 06:41 PM

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I'm really struggling to understand what you're saying here. 

You seem to say that there are too many tier 8 tanks because there are too many tier 8 premiums. And that in some way is messing up the MM.

 

But all the evidence points to the opposite. Tier 8s seldom get out of the bottom of the 3/5/7 template because every time a tier 10 clicks 'Battle' 2.3 tier 8s have to be found to accommodate it. Thats not a problem of too many tier 8s but too few. Never leaving tier 8s free to fill the top slot of the 3/5/7 template themselves.

 

How are getting too many tier 8s = messing up the MM?



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I blame PMM 

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View PostWintermute_1, on 23 July 2018 - 06:41 PM, said:

I'm really struggling to understand what you're saying here. 

You seem to say that there are too many tier 8 tanks because there are too many tier 8 premiums. And that in some way is messing up the MM.

 

But all the evidence points to the opposite. Tier 8s seldom get out of the bottom of the 3/5/7 template because every time a tier 10 clicks 'Battle' 2.3 tier 8s have to be found to accommodate it. Thats not a problem of too many tier 8s but too few. Never leaving tier 8s free to fill the top slot of the 3/5/7 template themselves.

 

How are getting too many tier 8s = messing up the MM?

 

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View PostWintermute_1, on 23 July 2018 - 06:41 PM, said:

I'm really struggling to understand what you're saying here. 

You seem to say that there are too many tier 8 tanks because there are too many tier 8 premiums. And that in some way is messing up the MM.

 

But all the evidence points to the opposite. Tier 8s seldom get out of the bottom of the 3/5/7 template because every time a tier 10 clicks 'Battle' 2.3 tier 8s have to be found to accommodate it. Thats not a problem of too many tier 8s but too few. Never leaving tier 8s free to fill the top slot of the 3/5/7 template themselves.

 

How are getting too many tier 8s = messing up the MM?

 

Precisely why I worded the title that way. Not stating the concept is ruining tier 8, but asking if it is. I'm not entirely sure myself. I was just pointing out the large number of tier 8 prems, so it could be considered as the cause of the issue or not.

Wintermute_1 #9 Posted 23 July 2018 - 07:03 PM

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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 23 July 2018 - 06:51 PM, said:

 

Precisely why I worded the title that way. Not stating the concept is ruining tier 8, but asking if it is. I'm not entirely sure myself. I was just pointing out the large number of tier 8 prems, so it could be considered as the cause of the issue or not.

 

Its probably nearer the truth to say WG want alot of players at tier 8 to ensure the 'premium time buying' tier 10 players have plenty of cannon fodder and dont have to use MM that gets them fighting each other too much.

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WG said PMM tanks are the problem....

Bordhaw #11 Posted 23 July 2018 - 07:44 PM

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Too many tanks full stop.

WG should skip making more tanks and more nations and fix the ever growing list of already old issues.

But I think that will take too much thought and effort. 






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