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RamRaid90 #1 Posted 24 July 2018 - 11:21 PM

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LIGHTS ARE NO LONGER SCOUTS. Mediums have as good, if not better, view ranges.  With better armour, better guns and almost the same mobility.

 

We are not going to suicide into a field in a T49 so that you can hit one of your 4 clipped shells from the safety of 400m.

 

Rant Over.



shane73tank #2 Posted 24 July 2018 - 11:24 PM

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Go spot noob ! 

 

Sorry could not resist, t49 is huge anyway so it’s hard to skaut in 



kaneloon #3 Posted 24 July 2018 - 11:34 PM

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And I'll rather scout in my obj 277 than in my Stb-1.

So what ? You just want to derp the last remaining enemies in the back ? Ok, live your dream.



Gremlin182 #4 Posted 24 July 2018 - 11:42 PM

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The primary stat of a scout tank is not view range its good camouflage maintaining its camo on the move.

Some are still good doing that others not so much.



WindSplitter1 #5 Posted 24 July 2018 - 11:49 PM

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I'm not sure, but I think he refers to bush camping redlining TDs and SPGs who moan "spot noob" and resort to teamkilling of the lights.

 

Unless it's an open map (Frontline, Malibu, Prokh, Steppes), "skauting" is dead and gone. Thanks a lot WG, for neutering my fav class.



Milking_the_forum #6 Posted 24 July 2018 - 11:55 PM

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Maps don´t really give any incentive to early spots anymore. At least none that meds can´t do just as effectively. Or if there is, it´s such an obvious spot you can just blindly shoot in a certain very obvious bush and score hits. Lakeville is the worst offender in that regard.

 

"scouting" is dead. Maps don't allow you opportunities to. Teams camp too far back. The only "scouting" left to do is to spot people either because they're in a terribly open position on a rare few maps or you want to get a shot off yourself.



Thrael7 #7 Posted 25 July 2018 - 12:26 AM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 25 July 2018 - 12:21 AM, said:

LIGHTS ARE NO LONGER SCOUTS. Mediums have as good, if not better, view ranges.  With better armour, better guns and almost the same mobility.

We are not going to suicide into a field in a T49 so that you can hit one of your 4 clipped shells from the safety of 400m.

 

Spoiler

 

Perhaps you prefer my version after dealing with a lot of impatient teammates while playing my T49.

FV183: "Spot for TD, T49"

Me: "How about NO?"

FV183: "You 're scout"

Me: "No, I'm a Tier 9 Light Tank in a T10 battle"

*1-shot by FV183 at around 90 seconds.

 

FV183 ended up with greater team damage than damage dealt on enemies



XxKuzkina_MatxX #8 Posted 25 July 2018 - 04:49 AM

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"Lights are no longer scouts"

 

What a great statement!!!

 

So what are they? damage dealers, snipers, assault heavies???

 

The meds you are talking about often complement their actual damage by assist whether it's spotting or tracking.

 

Spotting for your big guns whenever possible is required of you. You want to do something else, say doing damage, sniping or brawling then you picked the wrong class playing a light.



aleksot #9 Posted 25 July 2018 - 05:20 AM

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i started to play lights a lot and now i see the mistakes, light tanks do. If light tank dont spot enemy, its usually lost game, because enemy scouts with good cammo spots our team and you cant do nothing because you dont see the enemy to deal with. So many games i saw team wanish just because light tank went for damage instead of scouting. Some maps like malinovka with 2 bushes are bad for scouting, because everybody can blind shot scout. Its map problem, but scouting is important part of game and it gives win to team, of course if that team are not red potatoes, who dont know what to do with spoted enemy. My recent is between 70-75%  in amx12t and amx 13 75, with not so big damage that i do. And without six sense skill on tier 6. Do you still think scouting dont work?

Edited by aleksot, 25 July 2018 - 05:24 AM.


Mr_Burrows #10 Posted 25 July 2018 - 05:29 AM

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Love it when a red skill level player shouts "scaut noob!" and then a few seconds later shoot me with HE for 78% dmg. That has happened. 

No, I will "scaut" when I find that I can. Because "scauting!" for idiots on the own team is quite often fruitless. In another post I mentioned how I spottet 10 enemies in the field on Siegfried line. Tota spotting dmg was 900. My so called teammates managed to hit those enemies for an average of 90 HP. 

*edited*should I bother scauting then? Ret@rds in camping heavy tanks should have their chat privileges revoked eternally. 


Edited by NickMustaine, 25 July 2018 - 08:51 AM.
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aleksot #11 Posted 25 July 2018 - 06:12 AM

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View PostMr_Burrows, on 25 July 2018 - 04:29 AM, said:

Love it when a red skill level player shouts "scaut noob!" and then a few seconds later shoot me with HE for 78% dmg. That has happened. 

No, I will "scaut" when I find that I can. Because "scauting!" for idiots on the own team is quite often fruitless. In another post I mentioned how I spottet 10 enemies in the field on Siegfried line. Tota spotting dmg was 900. My so called teammates managed to hit those enemies for an average of 90 HP. 

*edited*should I bother scauting then? Ret@rds in camping heavy tanks should have their chat privileges revoked eternally. 

that i call bad team and you cant win all games with scouting, but to say in oposite, i had won game versus good players, when i scouted for my team red noobs. All i did, i get really close to enemy base, 200m, and stayed in bush, after most of enemy were dead, our team by the way too and still loosing, i could easy finish rest of enemy forces and be top damage dealer. Some games early spot of 8 tanks gives total 300 spot dmg and big fail loose. Worst cases are when im standing 100m from spoted enemy without being spoted myself, but my team decides they can be close to me or even rush in front of me and dies so quickly and looses all 7-10 tanks flank in minute. 



Yaccay #12 Posted 25 July 2018 - 06:29 AM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 25 July 2018 - 04:49 AM, said:

"Lights are no longer scouts"

 

What a great statement!!!

 

So what are they? damage dealers, snipers, assault heavies???

 

The meds you are talking about often complement their actual damage by assist whether it's spotting or tracking.

 

Spotting for your big guns whenever possible is required of you. You want to do something else, say doing damage, sniping or brawling then you picked the wrong class playing a light.

 

Yup. Light tank (tier IX and tier X) are not scouts anymore.

What are they then? They are obsolete. Thanks to WG.

A tier X medium has better view range, better firepower better armor while has a similar mobility and similar camoflage



8126Jakobsson #13 Posted 25 July 2018 - 07:25 AM

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1.0 came.

And I saw it was lush.

Then in silence the old deforrestation program got activated.

Every day I discover new absence of bush.

Somewhere stands Murazor with a box of matches behind his back. 



Steffin #14 Posted 25 July 2018 - 07:47 AM

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View PostThrael7, on 25 July 2018 - 12:26 AM, said:

 

Spoiler

 

Perhaps you prefer my version after dealing with a lot of impatient teammates while playing my T49.

FV183: "Spot for TD, T49"

Me: "How about NO?"

FV183: "You 're scout"

Me: "No, I'm a Tier 9 Light Tank in a T10 battle"

*1-shot by FV183 at around 90 seconds.

 

FV183 ended up with greater team damage than damage dealt on enemies

 

That is because you didnt scout. :p

On a more serious note,. if you are playing a t49 and you are the only light, you are probably still the best scout.  If a situation requires scouting, you should scout.  But a player with enough scouting experience knows better when to scout than the average td player.



speedphlux #15 Posted 25 July 2018 - 08:11 AM

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Oh my ! A Dinger giving gameplay advice ??? What year it is ?!

Lights have the camo advantage and they need to use it in order to be useful for their teams. Only very very good players can choose to sit out of the scouting role, because they know their marksmanship is valuable and they need to stay alive longer in the game. A Dinger is usually someone who is not very very good player. A Dinger usually just loads the goal, flashes his wallet and kemps bush, as near to the red line as possibru - so stick to your clan role Mr. RamRide !

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View PostYaccay, on 25 July 2018 - 05:29 AM, said:

 

Yup. Light tank (tier IX and tier X) are not scouts anymore.

What are they then? They are obsolete. Thanks to WG.

A tier X medium has better view range, better firepower better armor while has a similar mobility and similar camoflage

 

just not on the move ^^

Gremlin182 #17 Posted 25 July 2018 - 08:48 AM

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T49 is not my choice as a scout but still effective

If I set mine up with the equipment and crew skills that max out its abilities I can take my 410 base spotting range up to 452.85

Thats with rammer Vertical Stabiliser and Vents I could put optics on but choose not to bit I could get the view up to 498.12

 

A tier 10 medium with great view range the M48 Patton has 420 base view range so can have a better view range.

Given the same crew skills and equipment he can have 463.89

My camo is better though 31 as opposed to 18

 

All things being equal I can spot him before he spots me whether stationary or moving.not by much its only a matter of 60 meters or so if we are both moving.

Thankfully not every Tier 10 medium tank has 420 base view range nor do they tend to prioritise conceilment recon and Situational awareness over other crew skills

 



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Same thing goes for people that live under the impression the Obj 260 is a super heavy that need to always drive forward no matter what. Obj 277 is in the same equation...

shane73tank #19 Posted 25 July 2018 - 08:50 AM

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View PostMr_Burrows, on 25 July 2018 - 04:29 AM, said:

Love it when a red skill level player shouts "scaut noob!" and then a few seconds later shoot me with HE for 78% dmg. That has happened. 

No, I will "scaut" when I find that I can. Because "scauting!" for idiots on the own team is quite often fruitless. In another post I mentioned how I spottet 10 enemies in the field on Siegfried line. Tota spotting dmg was 900. My so called teammates managed to hit those enemies for an average of 90 HP. 

*edited* should I bother scauting then? Ret@rds in camping heavy tanks should have their chat privileges revoked eternally. 

 

when this happens all you can do is say to yourself “crap team” and keep on the fringe of the enemy view range hoping your team eventually shoots them out of self preservation more than anything else, you can still skaut  but more cautiously and expect the position to be overrun at any given moment - however this tends to be the time when the fools on your team start to shoot you - had this happen on a t9 game on redshire recently, I was in my 1357f the heavies lost the 0 line (south start) , so from the middle hill I got a spot to have full vision of the 0 line , as the enemies pushed out one by one we got them our t54 however shot me twice ( in the back as he was on the 1 line doing sod all) and asked everyone report me - I eventually pushed the 0 line and killed their 2 arty at the back, post game I sent my friend the following “ so we won that game (he died) despite you being a  see you next Tuesday “ 

 

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View PostYaccay, on 25 July 2018 - 07:29 AM, said:

Yup. Light tank (tier IX and tier X) are not scouts anymore.

What are they then? They are obsolete. Thanks to WG.

A tier X medium has better view range, better firepower better armor while has a similar mobility and similar camoflage

 

You are asking for a balance in tier 9 and 10 lights. The OP is just ranting about scouting in a light being extracurricular! :)






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