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ValkyrionX #1 Posted 26 July 2018 - 04:02 PM

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full article here

 

 

no official statistics released at the moment..ad anyway it does not seem correct as buff

 

 

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• Increase penetration from 175 to 182 mm for the standard shell and from 217 to 225 mm for the Premium shell.   

• Improve aiming time from 3.4 to 2.8 s.

 Improve the frontal turret armoring (up to 190 mm on sides of the gun mantlet).

 

175 ....  only + 7 mm ?? (182)

 

217.... only + 8mm !?!   (225)

 

-no words on the reduction of dispersion-

 

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a basic aim time of 2.8 secs can be ok..this penetration continues to be really too poor for a tier 8 , also for a pref mm tier 8 tank

a tier 7 like a t29 have better penetration..hey wargaming?? just stop drink expired vodka :)

 

is6 need same wz111 penetration with "gold" ammo..250 mm and about 190 with AP ammo..does it seem so difficult?

 

 

 


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View PostValkyrionX, on 26 July 2018 - 04:02 PM, said:

full article here

 

 

no official statistics released at the moment..ad anyway it does not seem correct as buff

 

 

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• Increase penetration from 175 to 182 mm for the standard shell and from 217 to 225 mm for the Premium shell.   

• Improve aiming time from 3.4 to 2.8 s.

 Improve the frontal turret armoring (up to 190 mm on sides of the gun mantlet).

 

175 ....  only + 7 mm ?? (182)

 

217.... only + 8mm !?!   (225)

 

-no words on the reduction of dispersion-

 

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a basic aim time of 2.8 secs can be ok..this penetration continues to be really too poor for a tier 8 , also for a pref mm tier 8 tank

a tier 7 like a t29 have better penetration..hey wargaming?? just stop drink expired vodka :)

 

is6 need same wz111 penetration with "gold" ammo..250 mm and about 190 with AP ammo..does it seem so difficult?

 

 

 

 

Yes, give IS 6 250 APCR pen, what kind of pen you will give Wz 111 ? Old 300 mm ? ISM have 240 APCR and he see tier X, so be gold you will have 225. Its better then 250 heat

ValkyrionX #3 Posted 26 July 2018 - 04:13 PM

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View Postares354, on 26 July 2018 - 04:10 PM, said:

 

Yes, give IS 6 250 APCR pen, what kind of pen you will give Wz 111 ? Old 300 mm ? ISM have 240 APCR and he see tier X, so be gold you will have 225. Its better then 250 heat

 

i know dude..is-m pen is horrible..240 mm against tier 10 is a no sense..but we are talking of preff mm tanks here...is6 need same pen of wz111 for "gold" ammo (250)... 190-250 for both tanks ..a buff of +7/+8 mm..serious??

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View PostValkyrionX, on 26 July 2018 - 04:13 PM, said:

 

i know dude..is-m pen is horrible..240 mm against tier 10 is a no sense..but we are talking of preff mm tanks here...is6 need same pen of wz111 for "gold" ammo (250)... 190-250 for both tanks ..a buff of +7/+8 mm..serious??

 

I dont agree with what WG is doing. 182 will change crapin tier 8 and 9 mm. But 250 APCR pen on tier 8 who see tier 9 only is a bit too much. You give him WZ 111 heat pen, what will be selling point of WZ 111 or 112 then ? 

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The article confuses me slightly ...

 

It does say overall feedback was negative and that we take these tanks out in order to avoid +2 battles, but they still decide to go through with rebalances and working on the MM?

 

It's rather funny that they consider the increased number of single tier battles a problem, because it would, supposedly, increase the waiting time. I don't think most people have a problem waiting a bit longer to get single tier battles.



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I don't really like changes to 122mm guns. In my opinion a heavy tank needs +200 mm of standard penetration and around 250 mm of penetration for premium rounds in order to be useful in current MM. Then again these are only suggested changes and we'll have to wait for more concrete stats and possibly a test server. 

Let's not forget there's a really big BUT in the whole story, if all of these changes fix the T8 MM as WG claims then having relatively low penetration might not be a big problem. 



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View PostWarzey, on 26 July 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

I don't really like changes to 122mm guns. In my opinion a heavy tank needs +200 mm of standard penetration and around 250 mm of penetration for premium rounds in order to be useful in current MM. Then again these are only suggested changes and we'll have to wait for more concrete stats and possibly a test server. 

Let's not forget there's a really big BUT in the whole story, if all of these changes fix the T8 MM as WG claims then having relatively low penetration might not be a big problem. 

 

finally a good comment..thx 

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View PostWarzey, on 26 July 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

I don't really like changes to 122mm guns. In my opinion a heavy tank needs +200 mm of standard penetration and around 250 mm of penetration for premium rounds in order to be useful in current MM. Then again these are only suggested changes and we'll have to wait for more concrete stats and possibly a test server. 

Let's not forget there's a really big BUT in the whole story, if all of these changes fix the T8 MM as WG claims then having relatively low penetration might not be a big problem. 

 

You're aware that in this context 'fixing' the T8 MM for WG is less single tier fights yes? In favour for more 3-5-7 'funsies'. . What we understand in fixing the T8 MM is sadly not the same as WG means when fixing the T8 MM.

I really don't know why WG is so set to force that 3-5-7 MM. Doesn't it hurt their T8 sales?



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View PostUrQuan, on 26 July 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

 

You're aware that in this context 'fixing' the T8 MM for WG is less single tier fights yes? In favour for more 3-5-7 'funsies'. . What we understand in fixing the T8 MM is sadly not the same as WG means when fixing the T8 MM.

I really don't know why WG is so set to force that 3-5-7 MM. Doesn't it hurt their T8 sales?

 

I personally don't mind the 3-5-7 template as long as they manage to balance things out. I don't really like being a bottom tier 70% of the time, because it forces me to use certain tanks and ignore some other tanks (like mediums) if I want to be competitive and have fun. 

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Hope the same pen buff will go also to the standard tanks that share the same gun. 212 pen on Tiger1 and JPanther would, be really nice. Same for 182 pen on T-150 and KV-3 (so the 107 may be a real alternative tp the 122).

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2018..... 182 pen...

 

 

182 pen in 2018 is A LOT worse than 175 in 2015, by 100 km. In my mind this it's a weak fool trap attempt, simply



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View PostDava_117, on 26 July 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

Hope the same pen buff will go also to the standard tanks that share the same gun. 212 pen on Tiger1 and JPanther would, be really nice. Same for 182 pen on T-150 and KV-3 (so the 107 may be a real alternative tp the 122).

 

Buffing historical German tanks ? Are you mad. 

Truth to be told. 88 L71 in game should have 232 mm pen, on tier 8 and 9. And on TD. 212 on slow TD, will do nothing, if premium ammo have problems to pen some tanks. 

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View PostWarzey, on 26 July 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

 

I personally don't mind the 3-5-7 template as long as they manage to balance things out. I don't really like being a bottom tier 70% of the time, because it forces me to use certain tanks and ignore some other tanks (like mediums) if I want to be competitive and have fun.

 

Just a query. What do you mean exactly by 'balance things out'?

Do you mean being bottom tier a lot less than 70%?



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View PostValkyrionX, on 26 July 2018 - 03:02 PM, said:

 

• Increase penetration from 175 to 182 mm for the standard shell and from 217 to 225 mm for the Premium shell.   

 

If this is a joke where's the punch line? :sceptic:



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As an IS-6 owner, I can only laugh at the suggested "buff" to the tank.

I'm running outta patience to respond that that sort of joke post from WG. Ignore all values off buffing or nerfing - this is a question of their stupid "improved match maker 2.0" that DOES NOT work ! Stop washing your hands with Preferential MM tanks ! *edit !

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View Postares354, on 26 July 2018 - 05:23 PM, said:

 

Buffing historical German tanks ? Are you mad. 

Truth to be told. 88 L71 in game should have 232 mm pen, on tier 8 and 9. And on TD. 212 on slow TD, will do nothing, if premium ammo have problems to pen some tanks. 

 

To be fair, on tier 8 they could just put the APCR round as standard, adding a second APCR as premium. It may be a secnd viable gun on Tiger2.

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View PostDava_117, on 26 July 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

 

To be fair, on tier 8 they could just put the APCR round as standard, adding a second APCR as premium. It may be a secnd viable gun on Tiger2.

 

Maybe, still 212 wont change a thing, if premium ammo cant pen a lot of new tanks. 

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View Postares354, on 26 July 2018 - 05:49 PM, said:

 

Maybe, still 212 wont change a thing, if premium ammo cant pen a lot of new tanks. 

 

True, but know you go from bad medium pen to avarage medium pen. ;)

Plus more HP and better aim time. 

 

Remember 212 pen is enought to damage almost every tier 8-9 tank in weackspot that coupled with the increased HP and better aim time may help the tank in the first line supporter. 



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View PostValkyrionX, on 26 July 2018 - 04:02 PM, said:

 

is6 need same wz111 penetration with "gold" ammo..250 mm and about 190 with AP ammo..does it seem so difficult?

 

 

 

WZ 111 premium ammo is unreliable HEAT though.



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It will be interesting to see where this finishes up, it would take a lot before people let you take an is6 into a team battle and it would be nice to have a Russian premium that is available to all




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