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M56 Scorpion, the 'other scorpion's armor model'

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Should Scorpion keep the current armor model?

  1. Sure, it's a balancing factor, 10-15 mm plates would make it OP (6 votes [37.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.50%

  2. Nope, if it had 1 MM of armor its gun would fly off after firing (2 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  3. Bananas (8 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

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Ziurawka #1 Posted 27 July 2018 - 10:38 AM

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Hi everyone,

 

With the summer camp fest that's been going on lately (though maybe it's just my luck) I decided to dust off my camping gear. 

Unfortunately I couldn't ever be bothered to red line camp against tier X so I've got 'the other scorpion' only. 

 

Don't get me wrong, that tank can certainly sting and it's fairly enjoyable with the gun parameters it has. 

But boy does it hurt to move it ... 

Whenever it touches ANYTHING it gets damage, so more often than not I start the battle with ~30 HP missing courtesy of all the heavies rushing to their camping sites. 

The worst part though is when you roll it on soapstone, it's virtually impossible to go down slopes and not crash if there is anything in the way (like a small rock).

Maybe I'm a noob and should keep to safe locations + never relocate? 

I haven't played TDs for a while cause in general I prefer a more active playstyle.

 

What do you think ladies and gentlemen?

In real life it's not really possible ... even cars don't have 1mm plates ...



NoobySkooby #2 Posted 27 July 2018 - 10:51 AM

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Voted bananas because in real life this thing was a bit pants. In game though a view i heard about it that it was like a toy, which reminded me of the ELC even 90, so i just may find it interesting, not sure about it tbh

Ziurawka #3 Posted 27 July 2018 - 10:57 AM

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 27 July 2018 - 10:51 AM, said:

Voted bananas because in real life this thing was a bit pants. In game though a view i heard about it that it was like a toy, which reminded me of the ELC even 90, so i just may find it interesting, not sure about it tbh

 

That's a good comparison, I think it should be possible to move it to cheeky locations and passive scout sometimes. 

But why do you need to risk ruining your vehicle on encounters with small pebbles on the way? 



The_Georgian_One #4 Posted 27 July 2018 - 11:00 AM

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I don't think 10 mm would make any difference, tho I still find 1 mm ridiculous.

Edited by The_Georgian_One, 27 July 2018 - 11:01 AM.


NoobySkooby #5 Posted 27 July 2018 - 11:10 AM

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So does the ELC even 90 have more armour than this?

 



captainpigg #6 Posted 27 July 2018 - 11:11 AM

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It actually has 1mm more armor than it had in reality. It made out of sheet metal only, and could not stop any bullets at all.

NoobySkooby #7 Posted 27 July 2018 - 11:16 AM

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 27 July 2018 - 11:11 AM, said:

It actually has 1mm more armor than it had in reality. It made out of sheet metal only, and could not stop any bullets at all.

 

Unfortunate for the crew then

Search_Warrant #8 Posted 27 July 2018 - 11:21 AM

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4 main problems that make this tank useless.

 

1) F that armor and weight. ANYTHING touches you, you lose HP. it rains too hard and your crew dies. seriously. what the hell. its top speed also sucks for a 1mm armored tank.

 

2) F that gun, its pathetic, a 1mm armored tank should get one of the best tier 7 TD guns. but no. its a 90mm and a bad one at that, id rather play the P43Ter than THIS CRAP. SU-152 has a massive derp gun, actual armor and a black hole mantle absorber. HE cant pen it. why the hell does a 1mm platform get this crap?

 

3) F the physics! it slips n slides all over because it has no weight! you want to slowly go down a cliff? the dimensions/weight/physics will make 100% sure you die from crashing.

 

4) F that gun traverse, its horrible! it has such a nice gun arc crippled by a piss poor gun turning speeds. anything gets remotely close thats mobile you cant do anything, but wait theres more! the hull/gun traverse is so wonkey that if they do get close and try circle you (instead of 1 shot ramming you) you will slip and slide while trying to get your gun on the target if you are not 100% level ground.

 

Why do we even have a 90mm TD this piss poor when there are meds with better platforms with the 90mm?


Edited by Search_Warrant, 27 July 2018 - 11:22 AM.


rustysprite #9 Posted 27 July 2018 - 11:29 AM

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No armour

Just a blast shield

 

https://en.wikipedia...ki/M56_Scorpion

 



Bexleyheath #10 Posted 27 July 2018 - 11:49 AM

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I bought this tank in the vain hope that it would suffice as a crew trainer, but it's probably one of the the hardest tanks in the game to play efficiently.

 

 

Theory: it was initially intended to be an SPG (like in real life) but they changed their minds and instead of shelving it, they made into a TD.



Ziurawka #11 Posted 27 July 2018 - 12:18 PM

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 27 July 2018 - 11:11 AM, said:

It actually has 1mm more armor than it had in reality. It made out of sheet metal only, and could not stop any bullets at all.

 

Yes but that sheet metal had more than 1 mm thickness, I'm pretty sure it had to. 

1 mm Sheet metal would bend under the crew standing on it... 

 

What it does in the game is that whenever it goes into calculation the results are just bonkers (everyone who drives it knows what I mean). 



Enforcer1975 #12 Posted 27 July 2018 - 01:01 PM

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View PostZiurawka, on 27 July 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

 

Yes but that sheet metal had more than 1 mm thickness, I'm pretty sure it had to. 

1 mm Sheet metal would bend under the crew standing on it... 

 

What it does in the game is that whenever it goes into calculation the results are just bonkers (everyone who drives it knows what I mean). 

 

Automotive sheet metal is from around 0.8 to 1.2mm thick depending on where it's used. Also shaping something makes it stronger, take a look under the hood of a car why it has that structural reinforcement.

It seems you think the entire tank is made out of sheet metal. 



Negativvv #13 Posted 27 July 2018 - 01:07 PM

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Lel is this the only tank in the Even 90s MM that it can ram and kill without being killed also?

shane73tank #14 Posted 27 July 2018 - 01:24 PM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 27 July 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

 

Automotive sheet metal is from around 0.8 to 1.2mm thick depending on where it's used. Also shaping something makes it stronger, take a look under the hood of a car why it has that structural reinforcement.

It seems you think the entire tank is made out of sheet metal. 

 

search is just saying the entire tank is sheet 

captainpigg #15 Posted 27 July 2018 - 01:30 PM

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View PostZiurawka, on 27 July 2018 - 11:18 AM, said:

 

Yes but that sheet metal had more than 1 mm thickness, I'm pretty sure it had to. 

1 mm Sheet metal would bend under the crew standing on it... 

 

What it does in the game is that whenever it goes into calculation the results are just bonkers (everyone who drives it knows what I mean). 

 

The steel used for sheet metal and that used to make armor are of rather different alloys, differing rather in hardness.

mortalsatsuma #16 Posted 27 July 2018 - 01:36 PM

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View Postrustysprite, on 27 July 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

No armour

Just a blast shield

 

https://en.wikipedia...ki/M56_Scorpion

 

 

Wrong.

 

It says on that article that; 'only the small 5mm thick blast shield was armored'. So yes, it was armored but would have taken AT shells as well as my car would.  



Ziurawka #17 Posted 27 July 2018 - 01:57 PM

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Guys even if it would be just 5 mm all around it should make some difference in the calculations - 5 MM is still 5 times more than it has now. 

I don't expect this tank to ever soak any incoming fire, but it should be at least relatively safe to drive ... shouldn't it ?

 

As for sheet metal:

https://en.wikipedia...iki/Sheet_metal

 

The thickness can be very different depending on the purpose of use. If you stand on the hood of your car (which at least in older vehicles should be more than 1mm) it will bend probably.

Who would even consider this much metal on a military vehicle?

Do you honestly think 1mm is realistic?


Edited by Ziurawka, 27 July 2018 - 02:02 PM.


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View Postmortalsatsuma, on 27 July 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:

 

Wrong.

 

It says on that article that; 'only the small 5mm thick blast shield was armored'. So yes, it was armored but would have taken AT shells as well as my car would.  

 

Depends where your car was manufactured...





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