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Fazerion #1 Posted 29 July 2018 - 02:06 AM

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Please take a look at this short video and explain to me why the UDES didn't get destroyed.

 

Hitting a UDES here with a premium shell from the Chinese Type 4 Heavy's top gun with 1400 average alpha damage and 150 mm caliber. This shell should overpenetrate the UDES and do a minimum of 1050 damage, killing the UDES with a single shot. However, it doesn't. You can see that the shell hits the hull of the UDES, and neither the tracks nor the ground near it. I am pretty sure it also doesn't hit the gun barrel. The UDES hull has 20 mm of armor with a few small 30 mm patches.

 


Edited by Fazerion, 29 July 2018 - 02:21 AM.


SpartA_1ah1 #2 Posted 29 July 2018 - 02:34 AM

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HE dont overmatch

Balc0ra #3 Posted 29 July 2018 - 02:37 AM

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View PostFazerion, on 29 July 2018 - 02:06 AM, said:

Please take a look at this short video and explain to me why the UDES didn't get destroyed.

 

Hitting a UDES here with a premium shell from the Chinese Type 4 Heavy's top gun with 1400 average alpha damage and 150 mm caliber. This shell should overpenetrate the UDES and do a minimum of 1050 damage

 

HE doesn't overmatch. So the 3 caliber rule vs 30mm armor is useless here. 

Since he was behind cover it's impossible to see where you hit exactly. Yes we see the tracer steer left of the sight. But tracer is not a 100% representation of the server side shell.

 

For all we know you hit the gun and the HE splashed on the outside of the tank. Thus you did not penetrate armor, but a module.  Or you hit the two armor plates at the side of the gun. That's about 90mm effective at that angle. If that's what you hit. It's a failed pen, and you get half the damage. As you did. 

 

View PostFazerion, on 29 July 2018 - 02:06 AM, said:

I am pretty sure it also doesn't hit the gun barrel. The UDES hull has 20 mm of armor with a few small 30 mm patches.

 

 

 

Next time after the game look at the post-battle results. On the first screen is every target you hit and any critical hits you did to it. If the gun is listed there... that's most likely what you did hit. 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 29 July 2018 - 02:41 AM.


Jigabachi #4 Posted 29 July 2018 - 02:44 AM

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Of course the first guess is someone hacking the servers... -.-

Homer_J #5 Posted 29 July 2018 - 03:07 AM

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View PostFazerion, on 29 July 2018 - 02:06 AM, said:

Please take a look at this short video and explain to me why the UDES didn't get destroyed.

 

 

 

Because HE doesn't work how you would like it to.

 

But yes, it hit the gun.


Edited by Homer_J, 29 July 2018 - 03:16 AM.


Yaccay #6 Posted 29 July 2018 - 05:44 AM

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Sometimes people just put the premium ammo into the 1st slot (key 1) and the normal ammo into the 2nd slot (key 2).

 



Hellraiser0201 #7 Posted 29 July 2018 - 06:17 AM

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Yes, bushes cover the whole picture..

You probably hit the UFP which was angled (around 100mm effective armor) while your HE shell has only 75mm pen.


Edited by Hellraiser0201, 29 July 2018 - 06:29 AM.


90grimli90 #8 Posted 29 July 2018 - 07:34 AM

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View PostYaccay, on 29 July 2018 - 04:44 AM, said:

Sometimes people just put the premium ammo into the 1st slot (key 1) and the normal ammo into the 2nd slot (key 2).

 

 

But who says he did not do that himself either and he just decided to shoot a regular shell for this occasion ?

HonoredStone #9 Posted 29 July 2018 - 09:33 AM

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No idea of game mechanics so naturally it's cheating.

enu_ #10 Posted 29 July 2018 - 09:36 AM

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now that people explained what happened, can you tell us what you think how he cheated the server?

_LEO_ #11 Posted 29 July 2018 - 09:36 AM

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This is terrible!

You need to open support ticket and submit this blatant cheating.



Fazerion #12 Posted 29 July 2018 - 09:55 AM

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View PostHellraiser0201, on 29 July 2018 - 05:17 AM, said:

Yes, bushes cover the whole picture..

You probably hit the UFP which was angled (around 100mm effective armor) while your HE shell has only 75mm pen.

 

Angling doesn't play a role when overmatching. There are also no bushes between the Type 4 and the UDES.

 

But Sparta_1ah1 is correct: HE doesn't overmatch. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the explanation.


Edited by Fazerion, 29 July 2018 - 09:56 AM.


Joggaman #13 Posted 29 July 2018 - 10:17 AM

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View PostYaccay, on 29 July 2018 - 06:44 AM, said:

Sometimes people just put the premium ammo into the 1st slot (key 1) and the normal ammo into the 2nd slot (key 2).

 

 



BonjiOrongji #14 Posted 29 July 2018 - 10:21 AM

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View PostFazerion, on 29 July 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

 

Angling doesn't play a role when overmatching. There are also no bushes between the Type 4 and the UDES.

 

But Sparta_1ah1 is correct: HE doesn't overmatch. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the explanation.

 

and now you hopefully feel as smart as you are ... blaiming others for cheating without understanding basic game mechanics is always a sign of intelligence

Edited by BonjiOrongji, 29 July 2018 - 10:22 AM.


AliceUnchained #15 Posted 29 July 2018 - 10:21 AM

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View PostFazerion, on 29 July 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

Angling doesn't play a role when overmatching. There are also no bushes between the Type 4 and the UDES.

 

But Sparta_1ah1 is correct: HE doesn't overmatch. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the explanation.

 

Indeed, overmatch does not play a role with HE.

 


Edited by AliceUnchained, 29 July 2018 - 10:23 AM.


Hellraiser0201 #16 Posted 29 July 2018 - 11:23 AM

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View PostFazerion, on 29 July 2018 - 10:55 AM, said:

 

Angling doesn't play a role when overmatching. There are also no bushes between the Type 4 and the UDES.

 

But Sparta_1ah1 is correct: HE doesn't overmatch. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the explanation.

 

Thank you i didn't know that :D

Where did i say anything about overmatching ?

I said you have 75 mm pen while you hit his UFP which was angled at effective 100 mm, pls learn the game, don't troll players like me who want to help your incompetent ***.

And Udes was behind a bush, which bush covered the vision, and thats why we said its not so clear where exactly your shell hit ... also learn to read unless you really want to annoy people.

 

I really feel i made mistake answering to your trollish post.. Go learn more about sloped armor, you cant penetrate more than 75mm of effective armor with that HE ammo, Udes has 20-30mm upper frontal plate which is extremely angled (more than 100mm effective armor) the way you hit it in the replay... That's all, no cheats, no bugs.


 

mpf1959 #17 Posted 29 July 2018 - 11:54 AM

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Is WoT cheating?

 

Always! Send me 50000 gold, and I will provide compelling evidence!  ;)



baribal_80 #18 Posted 29 July 2018 - 12:00 PM

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View PostFazerion, on 29 July 2018 - 08:55 AM, said:

 

Angling doesn't play a role when overmatching. There are also no bushes between the Type 4 and the UDES.

 

But Sparta_1ah1 is correct: HE doesn't overmatch. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the explanation.

 

Yes angling doesn't take role in overmatching but if you don't overmatch it influences effective armor. If the udes was less angled with the same armor thickness you would pen it with he. 




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