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KillingJoker #1 Posted 31 July 2018 - 01:10 PM

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Whats the point of this tank really? 

 

Is it just me or its classified as tier VI slow "armored" heavy, but i play 1 game with it, and i get wreaked by tier VI mediums that don't even need to fire premium ammunitions... 

 

its to slow, the alpha damage is poor for a tank this slow... and i cant even imagine how this thing will play vs higher tiers, because i made 1 game as a top tier, and i am crying already.. 

 

Its incredibly stupid WG that you leave a british techtree the way it is right now... when its pretty clear the this tank and the blackprince are incredibly underpowered considering the current state of the game and the same tier counter parts...

 

Effectively a T34-85M have better armor than a Churchill VII frontally, it have better gun, and better mobility, its medium

 

the Churchill VII can only do 20kph, have 140 alpha, and the rate of fire is decent, but it doesn't matter, because only a donkey would stop in front of you to be shot...

 

So.. what's really the purpose of this? should i free exp it? together with the Blankprince is that it? are you asking to pay 20 or 30 euros in gold just to free exp this atrocity so i don't need to pass 6 or 7 hours of hell, losing and not having any fun because this tanks are completely useless and underpowered...

 

If only it had workable armor... if only the enemies couldnt pen you that easly frontally, ok, i would... say well, its just another style of heavy...

but no... the armor doesn't work, and when you are top tier and you see medium tanks from same tier you are and lower just shot you frontally with ap, you really wonder...

 

What the HELL i am supposed to do with this tank? 

 

Its completely out of its place, it has no place at tier VI, it would be somehow a decent tier V, but even in the current state, it wouldn't be a powerful tier V, the KV-1 and certainly the BDR  would be better, since they have better guns, better mobility, and the armor works to an extent...

 

This doesn't work, and forcing people to play this to get the VIII, IX and X which are very good for their tier is purely asking people to free exp it...

 

 



wsatnutter #2 Posted 31 July 2018 - 01:12 PM

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spam gold and never look back

KillingJoker #3 Posted 31 July 2018 - 01:18 PM

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View Postwsatnutter, on 31 July 2018 - 01:12 PM, said:

spam gold and never look back

 

If only that solved the  problem, i wouldn't even opening this topic to whine about it...

 

the gun is probably the only thing in the tank that is acceptable, even its completely stupid to have a heavy tank with 140 alpha, when currently you have tier VI mediums

with 240... and they are faster, and better armored than you. 



FizzleMcSnizzle #4 Posted 31 July 2018 - 01:21 PM

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I have always thought that every Churchill variant should be moved down a tier. WG likes inventing stuff, so they could easily slot something in where the Black Prince sits now. Maybe a slight tweaking of stats here and there, and on you go.

Geno1isme #5 Posted 31 July 2018 - 01:31 PM

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Churchill VII is probably the worst T6 tank in the game.

KillingJoker #6 Posted 31 July 2018 - 01:32 PM

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by the way... just to give you a perspective,

 

i did 548 damage and only 478 xp on a victory and that instantly gave me a 3rd class badge...  

 

just to let you see how stupid this tank is

EDIT: i guess a mastery badge will be around 800 exp... (hillarious)

 

 

 

 


Edited by KillingJoker, 31 July 2018 - 01:32 PM.


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Churchills in a nutshell. garbage

Azgabast #8 Posted 31 July 2018 - 02:27 PM

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One of the tanks with which I had a horrendously low win rate (around 30%). Of course I didn't finish the grind, maybe someday...

Derethim #9 Posted 31 July 2018 - 02:36 PM

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I actually like the tier 6 church chill a lot, even though I rushed through the tiers for the FV215b. 

Sidescraping works a lot, remember you have a weakspot in the upper part of the front thread shield. I tried to use it with the howitzer, but that thing should be on tier 5, not 6.

Otherwise just try to hit weakspots, avoid jap heavies and never, ever go alone somewhere.



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WG should consider to give Churchills PMM.

KillingJoker #11 Posted 31 July 2018 - 02:58 PM

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View PostDerethim, on 31 July 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

I actually like the tier 6 church chill a lot, even though I rushed through the tiers for the FV215b. 

Sidescraping works a lot, remember you have a weakspot in the upper part of the front thread shield. I tried to use it with the howitzer, but that thing should be on tier 5, not 6.

Otherwise just try to hit weakspots, avoid jap heavies and never, ever go alone somewhere.

 

What weakspots exacly? 

 

This image represents the armor profile of the Churchill VII vs the gun of the SU-100, a common enemy you see at tier VI... with 175mm of penetration. 

 

If only i had gun depression to hide the hull and the turret...

but with -4 degree's of gun depression, i cant really do it. 

 

I'm honestly considering to free xp this tank. 



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Long time ago, before the Brittish mid-tier Heavies were turned into HD, this happened to me : http://wotreplays.eu/site/308158#mines-speedphlux-churchill_vii

 

Personally, I was very fond of the TIer VI and VII Brittish Heavies, prior their "upgrade" into HD models. Now both the Churchill VII and the Black Prince, are nothing but a slow XP sandwich for the enemy teams. I could prolly say "stick with it, from Tier 8 onwards you'll be rewarded", but then again the Tier 8 MM is messed up and every game for me lately of Tier 9+, seems to be gold ammo all the way, so ... do as you wish with that line.



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View PostKillingJoker, on 31 July 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

 

What weakspots exacly? 

 

As in enemy weakspots, not your weakspots. As he also pointed out... side armor. It's basically like the Lowe 2 tiers down. It's good for holding a corner. Not pushing it.

 

And it's not the worst HT around, not even on tier 6. It gets the job done, and that's about it. Tho at times it does more then that too. As it did HT-12 for more then once.  

 

 

But I suspect we will see you again in a few weeks? As the Black Prince is next. Then you wish you still had your Churchill VII. 


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View PostKillingJoker, on 31 July 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

 

What weakspots exacly? 

 

This image represents the armor profile of the Churchill VII vs the gun of the SU-100, a common enemy you see at tier VI... with 175mm of penetration. 

 

If only i had gun depression to hide the hull and the turret...

but with -4 degree's of gun depression, i cant really do it. 

 

I'm honestly considering to free xp this tank. 

 

1. It's directly upfront, you never should face a SU-100 this way

2. SU-100 is a Russian TD. Big gun comrade, see? Big gun, no problem!

 



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View PostBalc0ra, on 31 July 2018 - 03:06 PM, said:

 

As in enemy weakspots, not your weakspots. As he also pointed out... side armor. It's basically like the Lowe 2 tiers down. It's good for holding a corner. Not pushing it.

 

And it's not the worst HT around, not even on tier 6. It gets the job done, and that's about it. Tho at times it does more then that too. As it did HT-12 for more then once.  

 

 

But I suspect we will see you again in a few weeks? As the Black Prince is next. Then you wish you still had your Churchill VII. 

 

True, the BP has an amazing armor, but the gun is HORRIFYINGLY BAD for it's tier.

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At the time, I used Jingles tank reviews to inform myself. I think he said: "you know a tank is bad when it can't pen itself".

 

For me the BP was ok to play, but I hated the tier 5 and 6.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 31 July 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

And it's not the worst HT around, not even on tier 6.

 

What T6 heavy do you consider to be worse than the Churchill?

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View PostBalc0ra, on 31 July 2018 - 03:06 PM, said:

 

As in enemy weakspots, not your weakspots. As he also pointed out... side armor. It's basically like the Lowe 2 tiers down. It's good for holding a corner. Not pushing it.

 

And it's not the worst HT around, not even on tier 6. It gets the job done, and that's about it. Tho at times it does more then that too. As it did HT-12 for more then once.  

 

 

But I suspect we will see you again in a few weeks? As the Black Prince is next. Then you wish you still had your Churchill VII. 

 

Brilliant post, i really like the way your defending the usability of the tank and leaving in the air the idea i am mostly incompetent... 

 

Lowe side armor you say... pity the turret can be penetrated by light tanks frontally at same tier... 



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View PostBalc0ra, on 31 July 2018 - 02:06 PM, said:

 

As in enemy weakspots, not your weakspots. As he also pointed out... side armor. It's basically like the Lowe 2 tiers down. It's good for holding a corner. Not pushing it.

 

You joking? Turret has no armor... just aim side of the gun and you go trough or there's an even more convenient weak spot near the front track sprocket. Not to mention that with a 20 kph top speed op tier 6 arties will obliterate you before you even reach the corner: to put in perspective OI goes 30 kph, T150 goes 35, check their armor profile vs su100 ...  that tank is just garbage, the only plus is that what comes next is even worse. 



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View PostGeno1isme, on 31 July 2018 - 02:17 PM, said:

 

What T6 heavy do you consider to be worse than the Churchill?

 

Blackprince... oh ops. 




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