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Tensim #1 Posted 01 August 2018 - 05:06 PM

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... and getting worse :-(

 

Well, my WN8 seems to be going up at a modest incline but my WR is going down. I seem to finish most battles within the top 5 (a reference to my abandoned post 'It Grinds My Gears) , but recently I find myself on the losing side more often than not.

 

I guess it averages out in the end.

 

<sigh> I was going to buy cake with candles and a small bottle of Prosecco to celebrate 2000 games...  But instead, I think I will just sit in my pants and cry into a glass of ale or two.

 

Maybe its time to join a clan.


Edited by Tensim, 01 August 2018 - 05:22 PM.


Suurpolskija #2 Posted 01 August 2018 - 05:22 PM

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Don't worry. With 2000 games and 49% wins you're sure doing a lot better than I was at that point. :) I can't remember the amount of games I had when I reached 50% but at 3,4k I remember being ~47% :D 

jack_timber #3 Posted 01 August 2018 - 05:48 PM

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 I am still trying to get to the giddy heights of 50+ so at 49 you are doing great, you will be at 60 in no time... 

BTW don't sh1t in you pants tried it once, severe case of the trotts, and will never do it again.

Have fun.

 

Sorry just re-read your original post... For some strange reason I mistook sit for something else:)


Edited by jack_timber, 01 August 2018 - 05:50 PM.


Tensim #4 Posted 01 August 2018 - 06:29 PM

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View Postjack_timber, on 01 August 2018 - 05:48 PM, said:

BTW don't sh1t in you pants tried it once, severe case of the trotts, and will never do it again.

 

Truth be told, been there, done that. I distinctly recall a touch of the 'follow-throughs'. Anyway, thanks for your support!


Edited by Tensim, 01 August 2018 - 06:33 PM.


Desyatnik_Pansy #5 Posted 01 August 2018 - 06:50 PM

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View PostTensim, on 01 August 2018 - 05:06 PM, said:

Well, my WN8 seems to be going up at a modest incline but my WR is going down. I seem to finish most battles within the top 5 (a reference to my abandoned post 'It Grinds My Gears) , but recently I find myself on the losing side more often than not.

 

I apologise if it's rude and blunt, but I'll just try to dissect your stats a bit to try to give you some help here.

 

You've owned and play through 7 Vehicles; the LTraktor, Panzerjager 1, Marder II, Hetzer, StuG III G, Pz. B2 and Tiger 131. Your most played are the Pz.Jag, StuG and Hetzer respectively. Firstly, the immediate reason your WR Is probably going down is you're playing TDs. Many TDs are not that great at actually carrying or actively influencing games due to their fragile nature. Surprisingly, the strongest of those three for actually influencing games IMO Would be the Hetzer, since it has some armour for it's tier and the German 10.5cm howitzer at Tier IV Which is pretty damn nasty but this is actually the worst of the three for you, at 43.93% WR.

IMO This has to do somewhat with your average DPG, which is 193. That's not that great, though I won't try to say you should be pumping out 500 Or something as a new player or in a Tier IV Machine that is your first experience of +2 MM. I say it's not that great namely because your Pz.Jag DPG Is 130. Your Hetzer is two tiers higher, but you only do 63 More damage on average (and only 17 More than the Marder a tier lower). It would IMO Help your WR To strive to do more damage, as out of your vehicles with more than 100 Battles, this is the only one where you have negative damage caused/received ratio (a la, you receive more damage than you do most games). I do have to really highlight though that I do not advise playing in a way solely to do damage, as sometimes this can be more detrimental to your chances of winning, but more often than not by doing more damage; your own health preferably; you are increasing the chances that your team will win in the end.

 

In a shorter way to put it; I think your WR Is going down somewhat because you're namely playing TDs, which are fragile and often not as good at carrying games as their respective Medium or Heavy counterparts at their tier, and you're struggling to really do your own health in damage. This is immediately what I would strive for; doing your own health in damage, as this is the immediate best way to likely start towards winning more games. This could be bad for your Tiger 131 You own as I believe it has a health of 950 which is comparably a lot harder to hit on average than your TDs (your StuG Has 350hp, so that's not that hard to really reliably do), so I would perhaps first look to increase your average from effectively two shots to three, and then to four. Mind you, your Tiger 131 Is only at 48 Battles, and you also currently have a 50% WR In it anyway, but it's more of a long term thing as I imagine your WR In that will start to drop over time if you don't improve your effectiveness in-game.

Another thing to do would be to look at your positioning. If you have replays enabled, it would be dandy for us to post them up to http://wotreplays.eu/ so we can maybe get an idea on how you position your tank in battles and we could try to give some tips to maybe give you a better idea where to position yourself in the future. I should immediately say that you shouldn't feel bad if we say your positioning might be inadequate due to your low number of battles. I'm at 15k and even I often get games where I struggle to really think of where to best position my tank and sometimes I feel it's totally my fault for losing a game because of that, and I'm still often experimenting with new positions for my tanks, which sometimes ends pretty badly.



Tensim #6 Posted 01 August 2018 - 07:15 PM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 01 August 2018 - 06:50 PM, said:

 

I apologise if it's rude and blunt, but I'll just try to dissect your stats a bit to try to give you some help here.

 

Honestly - all help is appreciated, and I thank you for your time to put 'pen to paper'.

 

I realise that I'm not necessarily making it easy for myself. My sole interest is the German line and, further, my only intention was to obtain the Stug. My interest in tanks is limited (yes, I have been to Bovington 6 times but that is only to please a Glaswegian tank nut friend of mine). I have always loved the Stug. It has that ugly, yet beautiful, aspect to it that is only rivalled by the AH64 Apache helicopter. So the attainment of the Stug was originally my sole aspiration.

 

So, my interest in getting into Wot is not what you might call traditional...

 

That said, now I am into it, I would like to be able to perform more effectively, and I think joining a clan of some kind is probably the correct approach to benefit from some constructive criticism. I also recognised that only playing TD's limited my understanding of the maps - which is why I have tried to mix it with the likes of the B2 and the Tiger 131. I do, however ,intend to research the German TD line.

 

Cheers for your comments!

 


Edited by Tensim, 01 August 2018 - 07:21 PM.


cellaman7 #7 Posted 01 August 2018 - 08:54 PM

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Try the SGTA clan. They specialise in training and platooning with players who need to up their game.

Desyatnik_Pansy #8 Posted 01 August 2018 - 08:56 PM

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View Postcellaman7, on 01 August 2018 - 08:54 PM, said:

Try the SGTA clan. They specialise in training and platooning with players who need to up their game.

 

SGTA Is no longer active. It stopped functioning as a training clan like well over a year ago now IIRC.

cellaman7 #9 Posted 01 August 2018 - 09:00 PM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 01 August 2018 - 07:56 PM, said:

 

SGTA Is no longer active. It stopped functioning as a training clan like well over a year ago now IIRC.

 

Oh right. Didn't realise bud

Balc0ra #10 Posted 02 August 2018 - 01:14 AM

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Well, you have half your games in tier 4 and 5 TD's. So at least you are not rushing tiers. So if you feel you can't contribute the right way to win more. As you need to relocate often in those to have an effect, and it's not an easy class to play on most maps to be effective. Maybe it's time to try a different class? Ever considered mediums? Going for the German Pz IV and run derp with it. Learn to read the map, react to it, support and bully what you can.

 

As just playing TD's. Even tho the tier 4 can be a troll is not ideal anymore. Meta has shifted a bit for those. And the Stug is not the good all rounder it once was to carry that well anymore on a majority of maps. 



undutchable80 #11 Posted 02 August 2018 - 07:10 AM

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I was at <48% WR @ 2k games and didnt even find the forums until >4k games played, so overall you are ahead of the curve mate. Stop worrying about WR & WN8 - set small goals, consistently meet them and set new ones like Pansy suggested. Oh and re-read hist post. the re-read it again. Some very good points in there to help you improve the next 2k games. ;-)

Tensim #12 Posted 02 August 2018 - 08:27 AM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 01 August 2018 - 06:50 PM, said:

Another thing to do would be to look at your positioning. If you have replays enabled, it would be dandy for us to post them up to http://wotreplays.eu/ so we can maybe get an idea on how you position your tank in battles and we could try to give some tips to maybe give you a better idea where to position yourself in the future. 

 

I'm sure I have replays enabled. I'll dig out a couple for your review - thanks.

 

 

I thank everyone for their excellent comments. What is coming across loud and clear is that I should extend my interest beyond that of the TD line. My purchase of the B2/Tiger 131 was to accelerate my familiarisation of the maps - as  TD, it takes so much longer to cover the maps. So I totally take on board what several folks are saying here. I will have a look at a German medium (the Pz IV as recommended here) and see how that works out.

 

Thanks for your support folks. Rest assured I am no longer sat in my pants feeling sorry for myself. This morning you find me fully trousered and with a positive outlook!

 



Hamsterkicker #13 Posted 02 August 2018 - 08:36 AM

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Another thing to add to Pansy's advice is that for clan play I would say you don't have the required tanks nor tanks that would be picked by a decent Field Commander. You will need at least a med or light at tier VI for that.

 

Platooning may be possible but as platoons almost always end up bottom tier you will be in for a steep learning curve constantly playing +2 Tier tanks. 

 

 

 

 

 



Unicorn_of_Steel #14 Posted 02 August 2018 - 08:43 AM

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You might want to take a look at the T5 Pz. III/IV. No derp gun but better armour and speed compared to the Pz. IV. I have both and do better in the III/IV.

mpf1959 #15 Posted 02 August 2018 - 10:22 AM

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Dear op, my advise is simple, ignore you're stats, and concentrate on your game performance, using you're own standards to judge it by. I would predict that unless you do, doom and gloom are the future, instead of enjoyment.

TungstenHitman #16 Posted 02 August 2018 - 11:12 AM

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View Postjack_timber, on 01 August 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

 I am still trying to get to the giddy heights of 50+ so at 49 you are doing great, you will be at 60 in no time... 

BTW don't sh1t in you pants tried it once, severe case of the trotts, and will never do it again.

Have fun.

 

Sorry just re-read your original post... For some strange reason I mistook sit for something else:)

 

Well don't be don't buzzed on getting over a 50% win rate on your stats. In a game where the average win rate is 48% unfortunately as soon as you start creeping up passed 50% you getting unwanted XVM user attention, yes, sadly anyone with 50% or higher stands out from the other 12-14 players on the team and if you think it's difficult to play this game under normal conditions just doing your own thing and fighting what's in front of you try playing this game where the artillery are constantly trying to hit you and ONLY you for as long as the battle continues if your anything even remotely hitable along with some enemy players just yoloing you and turning down much more attractive targets they could safely shoot instead, targets that are not even looking at them but STILL they go for you. It's gets more demanding but it's all cool bring it on. Just saying, sometimes the grass looks greener on the other side and it's actually not all that!



Tensim #17 Posted 02 August 2018 - 11:19 AM

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View Postmpf1959, on 02 August 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

...ignore you're stats, and concentrate on your game performance, using you're own standards to judge it by. I would predict that unless you do, doom and gloom are the future, instead of enjoyment.

 

Absolutely correct. I find myself guilty of ignoring my own advice.

 

I'm getting into the habit of predicting where I will be in the battle results based upon what I think my contribution was. I'm getting good at it and I am usually only wrong when I think I have played poorly and then find myself fourth in the results! :amazed:  

 

Given we have no control over what abilities our teammates will possess, I currently judge my contribution by comparing expected results v. actual results and a reference to my position in the battle results gives me a gut feel whether I am progressing or not - irrespective of the battle outcome.

 

I also think the message coming from forumites is to try other vehicle types (e.g. lights/mediums). I think this will also contribute to the fun aspect of the game.

 

 


Edited by Tensim, 02 August 2018 - 11:24 AM.


mpf1959 #18 Posted 02 August 2018 - 11:28 AM

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That is important to realise, we have no control whatever over the other players, we can only play our own game, sometimes it gels, mostly it dont!

 

Think over this, using extremes for examples, would you sooner have a: A victory every game, but you were in the bottom 3 and did little or nothing? Or B: A defeat every game, but you had a great game, enjoyable, thrilling and you did plenty and are perennially in the top 3?

 

If you're choice is A stats matter, if it is B they don't.



TungstenHitman #19 Posted 02 August 2018 - 11:57 AM

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@OP Some simple tips I wish I was told when I started. Just for some early noob battles anyway.

 

-Tank choice, if it doesn't have a turret don't play it, simple. The flexibilty offered by being able to turn your gun around 360 degrees just offers a much more expansive and efficient playstyle both offensively and defensively. 

 

-Don't play really slow tanks, don't play tanks that have really bad view range for their tiers and always carry at least 1 tanks worth of premium ammo, better to make no credits for just 1 battle and win a great win instead of losing again with bad credits anyway.

 

-Look at what map you got during the loading phase, study both teams tanks, the enemy tanks more importantly, see where you are placed with tiering(bottom most the time) and formulate how you are going to apply your tank to that map against those enemies.

 

- Pick fights with tanks you can beat, look for your opposite number on the enemy team and other similar same tier tanks or weak higher tier tanks... you know, don't go take on the top tier heavy with your bottom tier paper tank in first encounter.

 

-If in doubt where to go or what to do, stop, wait for the team to move out from spawn and follow either the top tier players or similar tanks on your team and support them rather than lead from the front.

 

- Never be the first guy spotted, it's a sure way to die fast. Unsurprisingly the first target gets noticed by EVERYONE including all the arty so you're just in for a beat down, let someone else be that dope, never you.

 

- Stay near hard cover and never cross open areas of maps unless the battle is either won or well established that you know where all enemy team is, this is a sure way to die and staying near solid cover always gives you a chance to take cover, survive and time to decide what to do next if anything.

 

- Constantly absorb what is happening on the minimap and around you, don't play with blinkers on, we've all seen players with enemy tanks right behind them and they still don't notice lol.

 

- learn the tanks of this game. This will put you in massively good shape during battles and you will know where to shoot them, what ammo to use and most importantly, what damage they can do to you. If you know an enemy tank hits for 700 alpha and you have 500hp left.. well.. your not going to be wanting to take a shot from that guy are you lol. Equally, if you know that tank hits for 300 and he is on one shot, if it suits you and its a 1 vs 1 to win the battle, you know you can trade shots and win. Of course, knowing which enemy tanks can turn fast or slow and which ones have really slow or fast reloads, which ones are autoloaders etc, it all gives you game changing knowledge.

 

-NEVER go it alone, in fact, unless you are a light tank and a very experienced and confident player, never go anywhere alone, even if the team are really bad and ignoring an entire flank leaving the door open to get in behind the team or cap etc, STILL don't go alone, nothing good will come of it. 

 

-Look after your HP. Look to do more damage than you are taking and always look to kill a tank when there's several tanks on offer to shoot and not just the easier target or to do more damage. Remember that in this game, a tank with 1% hp can still function and do everything it can do same as if it was 100% hp unless modules or crew are knocked out which they probably won't be with replenishing consumables and I've often won battles pretty much alone even though I was hit hard early on but the enemy team never finished me off.. and that's a mistake, when you have someone, turn the screw and kill them off and that will never come back to haunt you later. That doesn't mean go chase off after a tank on one shot JUST because he on one shot, that will get you killed, no, what I mean is, if you are in a safe position and can kill a tank, do so. Don't assume someone else will do it while you turn your attentions to the full hp tank thinking he is more of a threat. I've seen players make this mistake when resetting a cap against 2 tanks, they target the tank with more hp and end up dying as a result. It's 2 guns vs 1, 5000dpm vs 2500dpm, ALWAYS look to make it 1 gun vs 1 gun as soon as possible and that's always targeting the tank with less hp.



Tensim #20 Posted 02 August 2018 - 01:03 PM

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 02 August 2018 - 11:57 AM, said

-NEVER go it alone, in fact, unless you are a light tank and a very experienced and confident player, never go anywhere alone, even if the team are really bad and ignoring an entire flank leaving the door open to get in behind the team or cap etc, STILL don't go alone, nothing good will come of it. 

 

The inner turmoil this causes.... If I had a penny for every time I was left alone staring at an empty flank while my 14 teammates head off into town, I would have... well 12 pence to be precise. 

 

I should just follow the rest into town and to hell with the opposite flank. I have tried to defend a flank on my own on these occasions and despite some modest success it doesn't take long before you are overrun.

 

All your points are well made. I think I am at the stage now where I have learned most of the major 'Do's' and 'Don'ts' (at tier 4-5) but that doesn't mean to say that I no longer make mistakes. I am still guilty of getting over-excited and going alone with the inevitable consequences that brings. Especially painful when you encounter tier+2 vehicles who simply have to look at you to render you and your vehicle into a molten lump on the ground.

 

I will never be one of those players who can reel off penetration and armour stats, but I have started to research where to aim on some problematic vehicles.

 

 

 


Edited by Tensim, 02 August 2018 - 02:42 PM.





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