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PL T9 250pen and 560 alpha PL T10 250pen 750 alpha... umm, guys?


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TungstenHitman #1 Posted 01 August 2018 - 10:53 PM

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*edit

 

I am happy if I am wrong and I am basing this on stats provided which is a bit premature admittedly and the top tier are described as slow(ya right we can see how "slow" that PL premium already isn't) but my IS7 by comparison which is a tier 10 does 250pen but only 490 alpha and certainly not a jaw dropping 740 alpha and 70 alpha less than the tier9. O and just to keep the HE spammers happy they give the HE of this tank almost 1000 alpha which will just be the nicest gift I can receive when playing my AMX 30 med or if I was stupid enough to start my unused Leopard grind. Is there going to be any fun left at higher tiers in the future for lightly armored fast tanks along with these ever more dumbing down of maps into inflexible corridors and sheparding everyone into close quarter fire fights for dumbos?

 

Even the mid tier tanks are another Italianesk stronk armored medium/heavy combo looking tank with big alpha for their tier that just like the Italian infestation, look like will bounce and stop all the usual same tier typical AP pen values with not much in the way of weak spots same as the Italians, you know, heavily sloped and rounded sections of hulls and turrets that both exceed the pen values of typical same tier tanks but also auto-bounce them with such dramatic angling.

 

It's maybe too soon to say this and I hope obviously I am wrong and reading this link wrong has anyone any light to shed on these tanks or played them on test servers?

 

https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/update-1-1-polish-nation/


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BKatt #2 Posted 01 August 2018 - 11:03 PM

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Well its no news that WG loves creating blatantly OP and broken tanks, and then nerf them later down the road. When every Bob and Joe has spent their freeexp and rl monies to get it it faster.

 

Obj 268v4 ring a bell?

 

Lets just hope WG dont forget to nerf it in due time. Atleast give it a type 5 heavy weakspot. That works great! :trollface:



Jabba_The_Mutt #3 Posted 02 August 2018 - 07:14 AM

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 01 August 2018 - 09:53 PM, said:

*edit

I'm not Polish...but if I was, I'd be offended by the opening paragraph of your, otherwise lovely, post.


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Cobra6 #4 Posted 02 August 2018 - 08:22 AM

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Didn't you notice? Wargaming has been making top tiers in pretty much *ANY* new tree they implement either broken or blatantly overpowered.

They want the maximum amount of players spending gold converting XP to free-XP to unlock these tanks, after a couple of months when there is only people grinding left they will properly balance them out or at least stop making them broken/overpowered.

 

It's a cynical and terrible way to do balancing but typical for the area in which these games are made as both games from Gaijin and My.com suffer from exactly the same problems. It could almost be perceived as a cultural thing......

It would also explain why WoT is not getting a massive foothold in the US, is much smaller on the EU and is only really large on the RU server.

 

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TungstenHitman #5 Posted 02 August 2018 - 08:26 AM

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View PostJabba_The_Mutt, on 02 August 2018 - 06:14 AM, said:

I'm not Polish...but if I was, I'd be offended by the opening paragraph of your, otherwise lovely, post.

 

Ah yes I see what you mean it reads like there is no separation between the comment for big slow armored dumbo playstyle tanks with huge alpha and Polish players lol! Like this is tanks Polish players need and will look for, I get it. Happily amended. It was about Polish tanks, not Polish player ability.

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Tier 9 is a better ST-I, Tier 10 is a blend of IS-4 (armor profile) and E 100 (gun). And Tier 8 could be seen as a non-premium Kirovets-1.

And of course, before you get the good stuff you have seven tiers of junk to grind through. At the very least I hope the Tier 6/7 won't be too bad.

 

Warzey #7 Posted 02 August 2018 - 02:10 PM

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First off, big alpha on a heavy tank is nothing new, we had that on e100 since forever and more recently on Obj 705A and Japanese heavies. 

Second of all, let's cry about new tanks being overpowered AFTER we see them on the test server.


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Funny they dont make a line of 20 pounder tanks and the tier 10 has an amazing 20 pounder... but we all know WG cant make low alpha tanks work past tier 8. Cearnarvon and Challanger are proof of this. people dont like them even if they have good dpm. low alpha is a dead tank no matter what. alpha is king and has been since day1.

 

Unless its something like Superconq but thats broken coz of its stupid impenetrable turret with 10 gundep.



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 02 August 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:

Funny they dont make a line of 20 pounder tanks and the tier 10 has an amazing 20 pounder... but we all know WG cant make low alpha tanks work past tier 8. Cearnarvon and Challanger are proof of this. people dont like them even if they have good dpm. low alpha is a dead tank no matter what. alpha is king and has been since day1.

 

Unless its something like Superconq but thats broken coz of its stupid impenetrable turret with 10 gundep.

 

I wouldn't call it impenetrable. Sure it's nice and solid but it has got narrow areas that any goldslinger worth its name will pen if RNGsus allows it. And you would rather have another turret when the HE war commence. But this is mostly just Ranked problems.

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 02 August 2018 - 01:16 PM, said:

Funny they dont make a line of 20 pounder tanks and the tier 10 has an amazing 20 pounder... but we all know WG cant make low alpha tanks work past tier 8. Cearnarvon and Challanger are proof of this. people dont like them even if they have good dpm. low alpha is a dead tank no matter what. alpha is king and has been since day1.

 

Unless its something like Superconq but thats broken coz of its stupid impenetrable turret with 10 gundep.

 

Just goes to show that there's more to the tank than alpha and dpm.

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Paper stats is one thing and don't even tell half the story. Lets at least wait for CT to start before we complain? Everyone here has fallen for the same trap before. You all posted in the 705A and Foch B rage topics before CT even started. And when those hit live. They were bad or "meh" at best. Then again we have had tanks on CT no one did notice was OP or broken before they hit live. 

 

Nor are they the first guns like that. Vs other 130mm guns on tier 9 HT's. It has more alpha, as they have 490. Not 560. But unlike the other 130mm HT guns. They have more pen, and way more gold pen vs the Polish. 303 vs 340. Same with the tier X. It's a 750 alpha gun that has 4 more pen then the E100 to name one, and way less gold pen vs it. 705A has 650 alpha, but more normal pen & less aim time. But the same gold pen. 

 

But we don't know the exact armor layout yet besides the general stats, or if they are the same as the early leaks. If they have massive paper lower plates like the tier 8 prem, or even a paper side on the driver view port when they try to angle the hull. And a turret roof that can be overmatched by even a stock T-10 wih a 122mm gun at the right angle. Then get the guns stats. If it's even stronger then the E100 or 705A with no weak spots. Then you can complain about it. 

 

 

 

 



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View PostTungstenHitman, on 01 August 2018 - 11:53 PM, said:

O and just to keep the HE spammers happy they give the HE of this tank almost 1000 alpha

 

Well, be happy that they actually nerfed the HE from the initial 1100 Alpha in the first Supertest version. The current gunstats aren't much different from the E100.

 

How good those tanks are will depend a lot on their armor profile which we can't really evaluate yet, see the 50TP discussion.



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View PostWarzey, on 02 August 2018 - 01:10 PM, said:

First off, big alpha on a heavy tank is nothing new, we had that on e100 since forever and more recently on Obj 705A and Japanese heavies. 

Second of all, let's cry about new tanks being overpowered AFTER we see them on the test server.

 

Funny enough the E-100 is the only one that isn't broken or overpowered out of that list XD

For the 750 alpha the E-100 pays with mediocre armor riddled with weakspots unlike the Klingon Soviet rounded armour or the Japanium HEAT proof armor.

 

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View PostCobra6, on 02 August 2018 - 02:30 PM, said:

 

Funny enough the E-100 is the only one that isn't broken or overpowered out of that list XD

For the 750 alpha the E-100 pays with mediocre armor riddled with weakspots unlike the Klingon Soviet rounded armour or the Japanium HEAT proof armor.

 

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705a OP? Not in a million years.

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View PostRamRaid90, on 02 August 2018 - 04:07 PM, said:

 

705a OP? Not in a million years.

 

only 6th highest wr of t10 regular tonks at 51.6% :( definitely a terrible tank that isnt op. More than type 5, 430U, 5a...

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