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WaifuRacer #1 Posted 02 August 2018 - 05:24 PM

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So I thought I would ask, why wg messed up the engine of the E-tanks, starting with the E-50 that has an engine name thats non existent, (Maybach HL235) and than the E-75 does have the engine in name that was meant for it, but with lower output than it should be (Maybach HL234 but with 900hp instead of the 1300hp on the spec sheets, but the HL234's advantage over previous models would have been that it had a newer EFI (Electric fuel injection) and was supercharged solving the power issues of the Tiger II as an upgrade and would have been the main engine for the Entwicklung tanks) Its not much but that few hundred HP would mean it can get to its top speed, like all the other tanks in its tier do... And the E-100? Its just named "Maybach neues projekt", yet it had the same engine as the previously mentioned tanks... So, why is that? Its not like the E-75 would be op if it had its original engine, so my question summary is this:

 

-Why not give the E-75 the original hp?
-Why the E-50 has a different engine when it wouldve used the exact same as the E-75?

-Why the E-100's is just named "project" while this also had the exact same engine?


Edited by WaifuRacer, 02 August 2018 - 05:25 PM.


TheDrownedApe #2 Posted 02 August 2018 - 05:50 PM

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because it's not a historical game

malachi6 #3 Posted 02 August 2018 - 06:07 PM

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Why can I tap a key and put my tracks back on?

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View PostDr_ownape, on 02 August 2018 - 05:50 PM, said:

because it's not a historical game

 

True. And yet Wargaming could have done their homework a lot better, and at the very least get the modules right. Same with type of ammunition. And they also could have brought back the original top engines for the Tiger II and E-75.

 

@Waifu: I don't think any of us can really answer those questions. Merely guess. Fact however is that Wargaming sadly does not have a very keen attention for detail, nor are they focused consistency (or even plain old logic at times).


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View PostWaifuRacer, on 02 August 2018 - 05:24 PM, said:

So I thought I would ask, why wg messed up the engine of the E-tanks, starting with the E-50 that has an engine name thats non existent,

 

Non existent tank has non existent engine. Hmm..

 

I can shed some light on it though.

 

Originally the E series in game were supposed to have a unique consumable which would boost their engine power for a limited time.  WG decided they could not balance it properly and dropped the idea.  They also removed some engines from the line after release.  Maybe if you find an old copy of the tech trees you might find the missing engines.  Or look through patch notes for their removal.



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View PostHomer_J, on 03 August 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

 

Non existent tank has non existent engine. Hmm..

 

I can shed some light on it though.

 

Originally the E series in game were supposed to have a unique consumable which would boost their engine power for a limited time.  WG decided they could not balance it properly and dropped the idea.  They also removed some engines from the line after release.  Maybe if you find an old copy of the tech trees you might find the missing engines.  Or look through patch notes for their removal.

 

You mean something like the removed speed governor USSR and chinese veicles can mount?

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Wg also gave the IS-3 better gun depressing values and still haven't updated the engine sounds of the petro-electrical engines of the Porsche tanks..

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View PostHomer_J, on 03 August 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

 

Non existent tank has non existent engine. Hmm..

 

I can shed some light on it though.

 

Originally the E series in game were supposed to have a unique consumable which would boost their engine power for a limited time.  WG decided they could not balance it properly and dropped the idea.  They also removed some engines from the line after release.  Maybe if you find an old copy of the tech trees you might find the missing engines.  Or look through patch notes for their removal.

 

Like this one? Still have it in garage. Also, Soviet and Chinese Tech Tree both have the removed speed governor consumable which boosts engine power while degrading the engine's health. Ultimately, it's quite hilarious Wargaming rejected the idea for German vehicles but either introduced or kept them for other nations. I also still clearly remember the motivation for removing the top engines on the Tiger II and E-75; they were not considered historical.

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View PostDava_117, on 03 August 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

 

You mean something like the removed speed governor USSR and chinese veicles can mount?

 

Nope, it was more like the boost which the T-62 had in the football mode.

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View PostHomer_J, on 04 August 2018 - 08:08 AM, said:

 

Nope, it was more like the boost which the T-62 had in the football mode.

 

Ah, haven't played Football mode so can't compare then. Just like Dave I was under the impression it would have been something similar to that removed speed governor. Regardless, the changes made back then should be reverted seeing as we have tons of made up vehicles and modules these days, and it's only getting worse. 

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View PostHomer_J, on 03 August 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

 

Non existent tank has non existent engine. Hmm..

 

I can shed some light on it though.

 

Originally the E series in game were supposed to have a unique consumable which would boost their engine power for a limited time.  WG decided they could not balance it properly and dropped the idea.  They also removed some engines from the line after release.  Maybe if you find an old copy of the tech trees you might find the missing engines.  Or look through patch notes for their removal.

 

By nonexistent I mean nonexistent. The Entwicklung tanks were on blueprints, and prototypes were manufactured, however lost in war. That means they existed. There is no blueprint of maybach HL235, however the 234 was manufactured as a prototype for testin, which was cancelled due to the end of the war

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I remember the E75 used to have the 1300hp engine but it was deemed too OP... wg decided to remove the engine and gift 25k free xp (it cost 50k xp to unlock) as compensation. In hindsight, with all the powercreep of the last years, WG should consider putting the second engine back in the module branch.

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It's all cow wotsit when you break it down. Ever seen a WW2 tank move in real life? Now compare it to, say, a pixel tier 6 light. The game version is closer to a rally car than a tank. I think WG tries to hoodwink new players with an illusion of realism, even as it cunningly invents a new Obj. One of my bugbears is the way the company selectively sets the stats of certain tanks relative to others. The real life Centurions for instance were better than their Russian counterparts. Now compare with the game. Soft stats lols.

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If you feel that WG isn´t taking history (the real world) seriously, you´re not alone. 

 

Marder 38T ...it was named 38(t) and had top speed of 42, not wots 48.

The T28 speed buff gave unreal amounts of horsepower to the Ford GA, they could as well call it a Mercury outboard or a Ion drive. 

Every reference ever says the T-54 has 100mm front hull, wot T-54 has 120. etc, etc, etc

And then there´s the 6 severely unbalanced Japanese heavies from hell, cooked up from 1½ undocumented designs

 

Yes it´s just a game, but having all these detailed modelling of tanks that were actually designed, makes less sense, if you are sloppy with known data or throw known facts away in trying to shoehorn a tank into a certain tier or invent a whole heavy line that didn´t exist.



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E-75 used to have that 1200-1300hp engine in the past but it was nerfed because of Reasons(tm ) like always, Germans can't have nice things, we all know that.:medal:

 

The Foch(155) used to have a 1200hp engine as well meaning it didn't handle like a turd, but again that was removed.

 

Yet the T100LT is fine with a rocket engine going 50km/h up hill, realism Da Da Comrad.

 

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View PostWaifuRacer, on 02 August 2018 - 04:24 PM, said:

So I thought I would ask, why wg messed up the engine of the E-tanks, starting with the E-50 that has an engine name thats non existent, (Maybach HL235) and than the E-75 does have the engine in name that was meant for it, but with lower output than it should be (Maybach HL234 but with 900hp instead of the 1300hp on the spec sheets, but the HL234's advantage over previous models would have been that it had a newer EFI (Electric fuel injection) and was supercharged solving the power issues of the Tiger II as an upgrade and would have been the main engine for the Entwicklung tanks) Its not much but that few hundred HP would mean it can get to its top speed, like all the other tanks in its tier do... And the E-100? Its just named "Maybach neues projekt", yet it had the same engine as the previously mentioned tanks... So, why is that? Its not like the E-75 would be op if it had its original engine, so my question summary is this:

 

-Why not give the E-75 the original hp?
-Why the E-50 has a different engine when it wouldve used the exact same as the E-75?

-Why the E-100's is just named "project" while this also had the exact same engine?

 

E-75 and E-50 had the 1300hp engine as top engine module until 18th September 2013, when in patch 8.8 it was removed.

Although at the time the 1300hp engine was called Maybach HL235 ausf.A.

If you had it on a tank or in the garage you got the full silver price back and 25,000 free exp.

 

Source = https://worldoftanks...lease-notes-88/



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Ppl need to chill, we're talking about a company who are just about to release a quad track tank.

 

Now someone will tell me it actually existed :trollface:



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View PostNegativvv, on 06 August 2018 - 04:15 PM, said:

Ppl need to chill, we're talking about a company who are just about to release a quad track tank.

 

Now someone will tell me it actually existed :trollface:

It's a prototype for this one:



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View Postarthurwellsley, on 06 August 2018 - 04:11 PM, said:

 

E-75 and E-50 had the 1300hp engine as top engine module until 18th September 2013, when in patch 8.8 it was removed.

Although at the time the 1300hp engine was called Maybach HL235 ausf.A.

If you had it on a tank or in the garage you got the full silver price back and 25,000 free exp.

 

Source = https://worldoftanks...lease-notes-88/

 

Oddly enough it doesn't mention the removal of the Tiger II top engine (or I simply missed it in the notes), the Maybach HL 234 (870 HP). From what I recall it was removed in the same patch, but for whatever reason never compensated for or removed (as I still have it in depot).

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 07 August 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

 

Oddly enough it doesn't mention the removal of the Tiger II top engine (or I simply missed it in the notes), the Maybach HL 234 (870 HP). From what I recall it was removed in the same patch, but for whatever reason never compensated for or removed (as I still have it in depot).

 

Maybe you can mount it on another vehicle still? That would mean it's not exclusive to the Tiger II as it was to the E-75/E-50 and thus you don't get reimbursed with XP or credits.

 

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