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Grommet #1 Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:14 PM

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I love events in this game.  Having goal oriented game play seems to motivate me to play it more, which is probably why I really enjoyed the Frontline experiment (that and the lack of corridor maps).

I just unlocked my reward - the T34S.  It looks great, plays OK, and is always nice to try out a new vehicle, but there is a deep concerning problem.

Unlike the regular T34, or indeed the vast majority of modernish Soviet medium tanks, WarGaming have made a change in crew layout.

My lovely female Russian medium crew won't fit in it. 

Commander, Gunner, Driver, Loader - that is the meta.

Except with the T34S - which is Commander, Driver, Radio Operator, Loader.

Why in God's name?

It was only as I spent the 500 gold to convert a well skilled loader into a radio operator that it struck me.

This is why.  They want money.

I used to like WG but as they foist more and more new premiums and new lines on us I think they have themselves lost the balance.

Making money is great.  Seeking to monetise every single aspect of the game not so much.

So here, a freebie, but you will have to pay to make it work.

Just like it is 'Free' to play, except of course it isn't. 

I have never spent so much money on a single game.

 

Why can't they just give a gift without making it a poisoned chalice?

It leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.



Axarn #2 Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:16 PM

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TL: DR Oh boohoohoo i received a free tank and i am not pleased.

Edited by Axarn, 05 August 2018 - 07:16 PM.


gunslingerXXX #3 Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:16 PM

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Who exactly forced you to convert with gold?

SuedKAT #4 Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:18 PM

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It can't after all be the case that the T-34S got the exact same crew layout as the regular T-34 due to it being the same tank with just some extra armor it, nah, can't be....

xx984 #5 Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:19 PM

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View PostGrommet, on 05 August 2018 - 06:14 PM, said:

Unlike the regular T34, or indeed the vast majority of modernish Soviet medium tanks, WarGaming have made a change in crew layout.

My lovely female Russian medium crew won't fit in it. 

Commander, Gunner, Driver, Loader - that is the meta.

Except with the T34S - which is Commander, Driver, Radio Operator, Loader.

 

 

 

Yeah no, Its the same as most of the russian mid tier meds

 

And a T-34 variant is considered "Modernish"? LOL yes a version of a tank produced from 1940s is very 'Modernish' 

 

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Edited by xx984, 05 August 2018 - 07:21 PM.


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View PostSuedKAT, on 05 August 2018 - 06:18 PM, said:

It can't after all be the case that the T-34S got the exact same crew layout as the regular T-34 due to it being the same tank with just some extra armor it, nah, can't be....

 

Just what are you getting at here... :teethhappy:

Edited by Browarszky, 05 August 2018 - 07:21 PM.


Grommet #7 Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:41 PM

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View PostgunslingerXXX, on 05 August 2018 - 06:16 PM, said:

Who exactly forced you to convert with gold?

 

Is there some other way to convert?

NUKLEAR_SLUG #8 Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:42 PM

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Maybe I'm doing it wrong but I just borrowed a Radio Op. from the KV2. Didn't bother to train him over or anything, just filled the gap.

 

Problem solved.



Grommet #9 Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:46 PM

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xx984

I see now that there is a change in crew between the lower tier mediums and the upper - I have not played in the lower tier Russians for some time.

Yet I find the whole redundant crew strategy distasteful.

Designed only to require gold for conversion.

No doubt some wit will be along to proclaim historical accuracy.

Thanks.

 



Hedgehog1963 #10 Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:55 PM

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I have several Soviet MT crews.I still have a Soviet MT radio operator as legacy.   I just used them. 

 

I would never have converted using 500 gold.  Just not worth it at Tier V.



SuedKAT #11 Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:55 PM

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View PostGrommet, on 05 August 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

xx984

I see now that there is a change in crew between the lower tier mediums and the upper - I have not played in the lower tier Russians for some time.

Yet I find the whole redundant crew strategy distasteful.

Designed only to require gold for conversion.

No doubt some wit will be along to proclaim historical accuracy.

Thanks.

 

 

That's the case for most lines, which is why you look at all the tanks and their crew layouts and only afterwards decide what to train on them, been like that since WoT launched. Most, if not all low tier premiums have crew layouts fitting their tiers, most tier 8 ones (but not all) have crews that fit the upper tier ones. If anything you should be crying about why the Loader is the Radio Op in the T-43, T-44 and the T-54 since that's not the case for the Obj 416 line nor the tier 10's, edit: and not for the T-54 prototype either.

Edited by SuedKAT, 05 August 2018 - 07:56 PM.


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View PostHedgehog1963, on 05 August 2018 - 06:55 PM, said:

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I would never have converted using 500 gold.  Just not worth it at Tier V.

 

And definitely not so for a radio operator. Even the penalties for using a leftover for a different class should be 'bearable' - at least for a darn T5 tank.



Grommet #13 Posted 05 August 2018 - 08:01 PM

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My post is borne of frustration at the feeling that every time I want to do something, I get charged for it.

Little nibbles mainly.

Sometimes big bites.

Cheers.

 

 



gunslingerXXX #14 Posted 05 August 2018 - 08:01 PM

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View PostGrommet, on 05 August 2018 - 07:41 PM, said:

 

Is there some other way to convert?

 

Ah, sorry. Guess I'm mistaken

xx984 #15 Posted 05 August 2018 - 08:13 PM

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View PostGrommet, on 05 August 2018 - 06:46 PM, said:

xx984

I see now that there is a change in crew between the lower tier mediums and the upper - I have not played in the lower tier Russians for some time.

Yet I find the whole redundant crew strategy distasteful.

Designed only to require gold for conversion.

No doubt some wit will be along to proclaim historical accuracy.

Thanks.

 

 

Actually i found it to be the opposite,

 

Best example is the Even 90.

 

Historically it had 2 crew members IIRC, in game it has 3, So its easier for people to put crews in and out and use existing french light crews 



magkiln #16 Posted 06 August 2018 - 03:26 AM

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View PostGrommet, on 05 August 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

I love events in this game.  Having goal oriented game play seems to motivate me to play it more, which is probably why I really enjoyed the Frontline experiment (that and the lack of corridor maps).

I just unlocked my reward - the T34S.  It looks great, plays OK, and is always nice to try out a new vehicle, but there is a deep concerning problem.

Unlike the regular T34, or indeed the vast majority of modernish Soviet medium tanks, WarGaming have made a change in crew layout.

My lovely female Russian medium crew won't fit in it. 

Commander, Gunner, Driver, Loader - that is the meta.

Except with the T34S - which is Commander, Driver, Radio Operator, Loader.

Why in God's name?

It was only as I spent the 500 gold to convert a well skilled loader into a radio operator that it struck me.

This is why.  They want money.

I used to like WG but as they foist more and more new premiums and new lines on us I think they have themselves lost the balance.

Making money is great.  Seeking to monetise every single aspect of the game not so much.

So here, a freebie, but you will have to pay to make it work.

Just like it is 'Free' to play, except of course it isn't. 

I have never spent so much money on a single game.

 

Why can't they just give a gift without making it a poisoned chalice?

It leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

 

Did you bother looking up the original T34? Maybe you should go back in time and complain to Stalin about the curious crew layout of his tanks. I'm sure he'll be impressed.

Bexleyheath #17 Posted 06 August 2018 - 03:47 AM

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View PostGrommet, on 05 August 2018 - 08:01 PM, said:

My post is borne of frustration at the feeling that every time I want to do something, I get charged for it.

Little nibbles mainly.

Sometimes big bites.

 

That's unfortunately how Wargaming chooses to make their money. A thousand tiny cuts (and a few massive ones like €40 dlc tanks) until you realise you've spent enough money to buy 4-5 real games that are way more fun and rewarding.



Balc0ra #18 Posted 06 August 2018 - 04:15 AM

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Vs the Matilda IV it's not a good crew trainer for tier 6 to high tier meds sure as most want to use it for. But most got the T-34-85M for free to do that even. But as you can see. It's fine for mid to low tiers. And why would you pay gold to retrain a crew member from a normal tank to fit a premium crew slot? Premium tank is a crew trainer. Just make a new crew slot there and train it up. I did the same when I trained the Russian scout crews. As they are all low tiers and have a radio operator. High tier scouts don't. And thus it lacked a crew member there with BIA. Don't take long to train one up. It's a tier 5, you can do without BIA for a few games. 

 



ederfe #19 Posted 06 August 2018 - 05:43 AM

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Dear OP. You are the one who brings balance to the force.

 

-Most people use the convert for gold option to get rid of extra radio-operators.

 

-Most people use their crewtrainertanks to train crews for other tanks.

 

Happy oppositeday! Also: what Balc0ra said.


Edited by ederfe, 06 August 2018 - 05:49 AM.


Lycopersicon #20 Posted 06 August 2018 - 05:59 AM

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This is the same layout as the regular T-34. Why did you expect anything else - it is a T-34 afterall.




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