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Drumefy #1 Posted 05 August 2018 - 09:37 PM

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Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me?

Winrate

 

On the UDES 03 i have 1,4k average damage, ace tanker, 1 mark of excellence, etc. and... a 44% WR, which is abysmal.

I was worse on the previous vehicles, yet have a much higher WR.

 

 

HOW?



Sfinski #2 Posted 05 August 2018 - 09:40 PM

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Small sample sizes. 

 

// Same like for me here: 

 

Sometimes you cant just win. 


Edited by Sfinski, 05 August 2018 - 09:41 PM.


CmdRatScabies #3 Posted 05 August 2018 - 09:43 PM

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UDES seems to do best when your team is losing, slowly, so you have time to reload as they come towards you.

HassenderZerhacker #4 Posted 05 August 2018 - 09:58 PM

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from my collection:

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Baldrickk #5 Posted 05 August 2018 - 10:19 PM

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View PostDrumefy, on 05 August 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me?

Winrate

 

On the UDES 03 i have 1,4k average damage, ace tanker, 1 mark of excellence, etc. and... a 44% WR, which is abysmal.

I was worse on the previous vehicles, yet have a much higher WR.

 

 

HOW?

 

Maybe because tier 8 see lots of tier X where people have their best crews in the best tanks, while tiers 6 and 7 both get more forgiving MM compared to tier 8, but also don't face the best of the best in terms of tanks and crews.

 

Out of 80 battles, the difference between your wins and losses is only 6, so...


Edited by Baldrickk, 05 August 2018 - 10:21 PM.


Dr_ownape #6 Posted 06 August 2018 - 08:38 AM

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it's a red line TD, very hard to influence the battle but easy to farm damage

Edited by Dr_ownape, 06 August 2018 - 08:38 AM.


kaneloon #7 Posted 06 August 2018 - 08:47 AM

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That's it : when your team tramples the other you do no damage, then the opposite when losing.

The more you lose the more you farm.

A bit like arty you feed on the stalemate, but hard to carry a team or win when last and surrounded.



Mko #8 Posted 06 August 2018 - 08:56 AM

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Never played the Udes (I just don't feel like unlocking vehicles in this game anymore, it takes so long...)

Like it was said, it's very hard to influence a battle in a pure sniper, and even more so when you get current tier 8 matchmaking. Furthermore tier 8 is your top tier so you may be hitting your own skill limitations.

 

I would suggest playing tier 8 in other vehicles, unless you really, really want to progress along the SE TD line.



Agent_327 #9 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:02 AM

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The win rate is equal to your real effectiveness in battle. Win8 is your measurable effectiveness in battle. If for instance you are deterring an enemy from advancing you can't see it in your win8 but in your win rate.

I have several tanks that apparently are played in a similar way but somehow I experience the same strangeness in win rate.

If you see your T-150 you will notice that it's the other way around 1114,25 win8 and a whopping 58,54% win rate.


Edited by Agent_327, 06 August 2018 - 09:03 AM.


FULL_HEAT #10 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:03 AM

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View PostDr_ownape, on 06 August 2018 - 08:38 AM, said:

it's a red line TD, very hard to influence the battle but easy to farm damage

Tell that to my strv S1 with 58% win rate 



Aimless #11 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:22 AM

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View PostFULL_HEAT, on 06 August 2018 - 09:03 AM, said:

Tell that to my strv S1 with 58% win rate 

 

I tell your 58% Strv S1 that your WN8 is/was slightly better when you play/ed the UDES with 51% WR :)

tumppi776 #12 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:24 AM

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View PostFULL_HEAT, on 06 August 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

Tell that to my strv S1 with 58% win rate

S1 has much better armor



FULL_HEAT #13 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:29 AM

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It's not about the armor. I never bounce. But I played udes when I wasn't very good. The point is that you have to place your tank not in the red line but as close you can afford to support the battle before your teammates dies. If you redline you you will have better win8 but sub 50 % winrate

PowJay #14 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:34 AM

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I have one for you. Bishop, FV402 (Bert) and Crusader SP. All three using the same gun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Around 100 damage more per tier, but at tier VII I can keep a positive WR whereas at tier VI, I am 80 won and 120 lost.

 

 



Baldrickk #15 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:56 AM

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View PostPowJay, on 06 August 2018 - 09:34 AM, said:

I have one for you. Bishop, FV402 (Bert) and Crusader SP. All three using the same gun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Around 100 damage more per tier, but at tier VII I can keep a positive WR whereas at tier VI, I am 80 won and 120 lost.

 

 

 Bishop hits weaker enemies with less hp,  game slows down for crusader and FV is the odd one out in the middle where damage is less potent and games are still too fast paced?



fwhaatpiraat #16 Posted 06 August 2018 - 10:00 AM

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View Posttumppi776, on 06 August 2018 - 09:24 AM, said:

S1 has much better armor

It bounces the famous German 88 all day long. British 20-pounder? Bounces. 90mm gun of Indien Panzer or Japanese meds? Bounces. And when you face the might Russian medium tanks with 100mm gun (and worse penetration)? да, comrade. 

 

Tbh when playing the s1 it's important to keep in mind what guns enemies have, especially when you're top tier. Really big difference with the udes indeed, although haven't played that one. 



PowJay #17 Posted 06 August 2018 - 10:13 AM

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View PostBaldrickk, on 06 August 2018 - 08:56 AM, said:

 Bishop hits weaker enemies with less hp,  game slows down for crusader and FV is the odd one out in the middle where damage is less potent and games are still too fast paced?

 

I can see the logic in this remark, but I am getting 100 more damage as I go higher in the tiers. As a percentage of the total enemy team, it is making much less difference the higher I go. By this logic, I should hit 1K damage by tier X, and that is nowhere near enough to win matches consistently.

 

Recalling the ability to perma-stun tanks with this gun, I believe that damage is not the only factor, and so I can make a difference whatever the tier, but I hated the 5.5in gun on the Crusader and switched back after only a few battles. I completed the grind with the stock gun, and I'm even thinking of buying it back for the mission to stun for 200 seconds, but I have to check the stats first. It's no good if it can only stun for 5 seconds.



CmdRatScabies #18 Posted 06 August 2018 - 11:11 AM

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View PostFULL_HEAT, on 06 August 2018 - 09:03 AM, said:

Tell that to my strv S1 with 58% win rate

 

Strv S1 has a bit of armour - seems to make all the difference.

Bordhaw #19 Posted 06 August 2018 - 11:30 AM

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View PostDrumefy, on 05 August 2018 - 08:37 PM, said:

Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me?

Winrate

 

On the UDES 03 i have 1,4k average damage, ace tanker, 1 mark of excellence, etc. and... a 44% WR, which is abysmal.

I was worse on the previous vehicles, yet have a much higher WR.

 

 

HOW?

 

Think it;s more common to have a higher winrate and lower WN8. So be happy. 

Homer_J #20 Posted 06 August 2018 - 11:32 AM

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View PostPowJay, on 06 August 2018 - 10:13 AM, said:

 

Recalling the ability to perma-stun tanks with this gun, I believe that damage is not the only factor, and so I can make a difference whatever the tier, but I hated the 5.5in gun on the Crusader and switched back after only a few battles. I completed the grind with the stock gun, and I'm even thinking of buying it back for the mission to stun for 200 seconds, but I have to check the stats first. It's no good if it can only stun for 5 seconds.

 

The stock gun doesn't stun at all, nothing under 5 seconds counts.




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