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hasnainrakha57 #1 Posted 06 August 2018 - 08:17 AM

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why dosent jpanther 2 have 1500 hitpoints as compared to Ferdinand in past wg buffed t28 and ferdi knowing they had better armor and gv them 300 more hp wheres as t28proto and jpanther 2 having low armor remained the same?.well if t28 proto might have turret so they dint do it but jpanther 2 don't have turret.

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 06 August 2018 - 09:17 AM, said:

why dosent jpanther 2 have 1500 hitpoints as compared to Ferdinand in past wg buffed t28 and ferdi knowing they had better armor and gv them 300 more hp wheres as t28proto and jpanther 2 having low armor remained the same?.well if t28 proto might have turret so they dint do it but jpanther 2 don't have turret.

 

Can't say for sure but I guess it's because JP2 has better mobility.

hasnainrakha57 #3 Posted 06 August 2018 - 08:30 AM

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View PostMakotti, on 06 August 2018 - 07:28 AM, said:

 

Can't say for sure but I guess it's because JP2 has better mobility.

 

but thats what wg do worst  armor more hitpoints

Edited by hasnainrakha57, 06 August 2018 - 08:30 AM.


baribal_80 #4 Posted 06 August 2018 - 10:11 AM

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 06 August 2018 - 07:30 AM, said:

 

but thats what wg do worst  armor more hitpoints

 

Mate reread your post and tell me if you understand it because I sure as hell don't.

Dava_117 #5 Posted 06 August 2018 - 10:13 AM

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 06 August 2018 - 08:17 AM, said:

why dosent jpanther 2 have 1500 hitpoints as compared to Ferdinand in past wg buffed t28 and ferdi knowing they had better armor and gv them 300 more hp wheres as t28proto and jpanther 2 having low armor remained the same?.well if t28 proto might have turret so they dint do it but jpanther 2 don't have turret.

 

IMO is because of the survival rate. 

When WG buffed JTiger and JTiger8.8 HP was due to the fact that they didn't survive long enought.

For Ferdi is probably the same: big, bad cammo, not so well armoured, I guess it died to quickly. Giving 300 more HP means 1 more shell is needed to kill it, so more time to shoot for the Ferdi. JPanther2, on the other hand, has mobility and better cammo (IIRC), so can easily survive longer even with less HP.



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Same gun but better mobility makes it more lethal (in theory) so if you'd give it the same hp as well then where is the balance?

That's all it is a balancing issue

Hammerhead20 #7 Posted 06 August 2018 - 11:42 AM

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More HP are always welcome.

 

But I don't see any problem if my Jagdpanther II have less HP than most of the other tier VIII TD's. 

 

It's fine. 


Edited by Hammerhead20, 06 August 2018 - 11:43 AM.


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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 06 August 2018 - 08:30 AM, said:

 

but thats what wg do worst  armor more hitpoints

 

Are you saying they give more HP to tanks with bad armor? My Rhm. Borsig wants to have a stronk word with you.

hasnainrakha57 #9 Posted 06 August 2018 - 12:14 PM

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View PostAimless, on 06 August 2018 - 10:50 AM, said:

 

Are you saying they give more HP to tanks with bad armor? My Rhm. Borsig wants to have a stronk word with you.

Because it is a turret td


Edited by hasnainrakha57, 06 August 2018 - 12:15 PM.


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According to vbaddict.net:

Jagdpanther 2: WR 47.15%, WN8 862.5

Ferdinand : WR 49.0%, WN8 940.5

 

So it seems that objectively the Jagdpanther 2 is not as good as the Ferdinand, and I agree that it needs rebalanced.


Edited by Breandan, 06 August 2018 - 12:56 PM.


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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 06 August 2018 - 07:17 AM, said:

why dosent jpanther 2 have 1500 hitpoints as compared to Ferdinand in past wg buffed t28 and ferdi knowing they had better armor and gv them 300 more hp wheres as t28proto and jpanther 2 having low armor remained the same?.well if t28 proto might have turret so they dint do it but jpanther 2 don't have turret.

T28 good amor. Haha good joke there.



Robbie_T #12 Posted 06 August 2018 - 01:35 PM

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Jagdpanter 2 is a good tds.

Just need a decent crew in it

especially in frontline that thing was a beast.


Edited by Robbie_T, 06 August 2018 - 01:37 PM.


baribal_80 #13 Posted 06 August 2018 - 01:42 PM

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View PostBreandan, on 06 August 2018 - 11:55 AM, said:

According to vbaddict.net:

Jagdpanther 2: WR 47.15%, WN8 862.5

Ferdinand : WR 49.0%, WN8 940.5

 

So it seems that objectively the Jagdpanther 2 is not as good as the Ferdinand, and I agree that it needs rebalanced.

 

You should just give it old pre nerf armor. 

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 06 August 2018 - 12:14 PM, said:

Because it is a turret td

 

But it has no armor, so it should have more HP because that's how WG is doing it. Just following your logics.

Balc0ra #15 Posted 06 August 2018 - 02:04 PM

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Same reason why the Tog II has more HP then a tier 7 HT. Because it takes 6 hours to get into cover, and it lacks armor. This has armor, but no mobility so they still gave it some. Well... I say armor. 

 

View Posthasnainrakha57, on 06 August 2018 - 08:30 AM, said:

 

but thats what wg do worst  armor more hitpoints

 

Turretless TD's with armor usually lacks mobility. Thus they are exposed for longer and can't traverse as fast when flanked. Something the JP II did not have issues with. 

 

View PostBreandan, on 06 August 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

According to vbaddict.net:

Jagdpanther 2: WR 47.15%, WN8 862.5

Ferdinand : WR 49.0%, WN8 940.5

 

So it seems that objectively the Jagdpanther 2 is not as good as the Ferdinand, and I agree that it needs rebalanced.

 

Issue is that most play it like it has armor. It's like the Borsig. Once it gets spotted in the open. It's usually dead fast unless it starts to move.  And again that site uses mostly dossier stats. As in vs it's users. Other sites say the JP II has either 48.62% or even 48.95%. 

 

 

 

 






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