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coolmeltdown #1 Posted 06 August 2018 - 04:47 PM

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i have noticed something, and that is the fact tanks get a even worse MM when they become elite!.

for example i like my obj 705 it always got 4/5 games a equal tier 9 battle, and that was always very nice,

and because of this nice MM it always got with a rare tier 10 MM inbetween, i loved playign with it,

HOWEVER since it became elite yesterday, the MM changed!, i played 4 games today all 4 were tier 10 games!

that is no coincidence!!!, i immidiatly noticed the change!!!..

 

how can i remove the elite status from my obj705???, iam not intressted in the obj 705A it has a bad gun!, and the normal (not elite) obj705 gets a good MM..anyway to remove my elite status???


Edited by coolmeltdown, 06 August 2018 - 04:53 PM.


Balc0ra #2 Posted 06 August 2018 - 04:51 PM

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Elite status or stock status is not a factor for your MM or it's MM weight as such. Your tinfoil hat just worked better today, and you took notice of it. And considering your signature... Does it matter? 

 

As your MM is decided by tier population etc more then anything to name one. If tier X is more popular then tier 8 or 9. You will see less of equal tier games etc. It's why you don't play tier 8 tanks when the population dips under 15K after midnight. It's pure tier X then. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 06 August 2018 - 04:53 PM.


Nethraniel #3 Posted 06 August 2018 - 05:03 PM

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View Postcoolmeltdown, on 06 August 2018 - 04:47 PM, said:

 

i have noticed something, and that is the fact tanks get a even worse MM when they become elite!.

for example i like my obj 705 it always got 4/5 games a equal tier 9 battle, and that was always very nice,

and because of this nice MM it always got with a rare tier 10 MM inbetween, i loved playign with it,

HOWEVER since it became elite yesterday, the MM changed!, i played 4 games today all 4 were tier 10 games!

that is no coincidence!!!, i immidiatly noticed the change!!!..

 

how can i remove the elite status from my obj705???, iam not intressted in the obj 705A it has a bad gun!, and the normal (not elite) obj705 gets a good MM..anyway to remove my elite status???

 

So, you have facts for that? Could you please verify your findings?

I see only gut feeling. My elite tanks work just fine, and do not have any different MM.



Bennie182 #4 Posted 06 August 2018 - 05:04 PM

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View Postcoolmeltdown, on 06 August 2018 - 04:47 PM, said:

 

i have noticed something, and that is the fact tanks get a even worse MM when they become elite!.

for example i like my obj 705 it always got 4/5 games a equal tier 9 battle, and that was always very nice,

and because of this nice MM it always got with a rare tier 10 MM inbetween, i loved playign with it,

HOWEVER since it became elite yesterday, the MM changed!, i played 4 games today all 4 were tier 10 games!

that is no coincidence!!!, i immidiatly noticed the change!!!..

 

how can i remove the elite status from my obj705???, iam not intressted in the obj 705A it has a bad gun!, and the normal (not elite) obj705 gets a good MM..anyway to remove my elite status???

nice joke. I've noticed a lot of WG influence on the games, but this is just dumb talking XD



Babbet_1 #5 Posted 06 August 2018 - 05:37 PM

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And just when we thought all possible theories had been exhausted ...............lo and behold, another one turns up!  :facepalm:

Jigabachi #6 Posted 06 August 2018 - 06:09 PM

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View Postcoolmeltdown, on 06 August 2018 - 04:47 PM, said:

i have noticed something, and that is the fact tanks get a even worse MM when they become elite!.

1. Feel free to share the data you collected to end up with that fa... oh. You didn't.

2. Google what "fact" means.



Hellraiser0201 #7 Posted 06 August 2018 - 06:12 PM

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Put back the stock gun and stuff :teethhappy: it might give you better MM. Good luck. Hope this helps. :trollface:

Edited by Hellraiser0201, 06 August 2018 - 06:13 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #8 Posted 06 August 2018 - 08:23 PM

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View Postcoolmeltdown, on 06 August 2018 - 04:47 PM, said:

HOWEVER since it became elite yesterday, the MM changed!, i played 4 games today all 4 were tier 10 games!

 

Well damn, with such a solidly irrefutable dataset of that magnitude how could anyone ever deny the obvious MM rigging at work?



Sunshinetrooper #9 Posted 06 August 2018 - 08:58 PM

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View Postcoolmeltdown, on 06 August 2018 - 03:47 PM, said:

 

i have noticed something, and that is the fact tanks get a even worse MM when they become elite!.

for example i like my obj 705 it always got 4/5 games a equal tier 9 battle, and that was always very nice,

and because of this nice MM it always got with a rare tier 10 MM inbetween, i loved playign with it,

HOWEVER since it became elite yesterday, the MM changed!, i played 4 games today all 4 were tier 10 games!

that is no coincidence!!!, i immidiatly noticed the change!!!..

 

how can i remove the elite status from my obj705???, iam not intressted in the obj 705A it has a bad gun!, and the normal (not elite) obj705 gets a good MM..anyway to remove my elite status???

 

I noticed today there was a bee in my garden, therefore all the bees are in my garden, only my garden.

RenamedUser_507061076 #10 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:00 PM

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View Postcoolmeltdown, on 06 August 2018 - 03:47 PM, said:

anyway to remove my elite status???

 
As you know that I’m sure lots of players would be interested in seeing how you came to that conclusion.


kaneloon #11 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:06 PM

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Yeah that's why I never research the last radio, to trick the system. So I can keep a niiiice and fair MM, and not have this useless checkbox to train the crew.

Dorander #12 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:13 PM

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I remember a Wargaming article referencing special MM rules for stock tanks, they'd have a better chance of being top tier. There's a vague reference still to it here: https://worldoftanks...atchmaking-918/

 

I'm having trouble finding the original source that I remember though. Even so, the article only mentions a "number of battles" and that the design is "to create seperate battles for newcomers". There's no references to what it exactly means, however it seems silly to assume that one only loses the status of "newcomer" once a tank has become elite.



RamRaid90 #13 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:30 PM

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View Postjabster_from_forum, on 06 August 2018 - 08:00 PM, said:

 
As you know that I’m sure lots of players would be interested in seeing how you came to that conclusion.

 

Interesting way to hide in an alt.



RamRaid90 #14 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:32 PM

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View PostDorander, on 06 August 2018 - 08:13 PM, said:

I remember a Wargaming article referencing special MM rules for stock tanks, they'd have a better chance of being top tier. There's a vague reference still to it here: https://worldoftanks...atchmaking-918/

 

I'm having trouble finding the original source that I remember though. Even so, the article only mentions a "number of battles" and that the design is "to create seperate battles for newcomers". There's no references to what it exactly means, however it seems silly to assume that one only loses the status of "newcomer" once a tank has become elite.

 

I think what you're referring to is the well known "new tank MM weight" whereby the first battle in a brand new tank on the account receives a lighter MM weight giving you a slightly higher chance of being top tier for the first battle.

 

In the old MM system, afaik this worked flawlessly. In the new system it rarely happens.



RenamedUser_507061076 #15 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:51 PM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 06 August 2018 - 08:30 PM, said:

 

Interesting way to hide in an alt.

 

 

It's not illegal to have alternate accounts. I'm just adressing concerns that my post count is higher than my battles played. It felt kind of pathetic, I must admit. Of course, I could have 'rerolled' my main account, but playing 250 battles to regain access would take me the better part of a year. 

 

View PostDorander, on 06 August 2018 - 08:13 PM, said:

I remember a Wargaming article referencing special MM rules for stock tanks, they'd have a better chance of being top tier. There's a vague reference still to it here: https://worldoftanks...atchmaking-918/

 

I'm having trouble finding the original source that I remember though. Even so, the article only mentions a "number of battles" and that the design is "to create seperate battles for newcomers". There's no references to what it exactly means, however it seems silly to assume that one only loses the status of "newcomer" once a tank has become elite.

 

Could've been a mistranslation. Wargaming even removed the 'rule' that made you top-tier for the first battle in a tank. No doubt an effort to keep it simple. Minor quality of life feature if you ask me.


Edited by jabster_from_forum, 06 August 2018 - 09:51 PM.


RamRaid90 #16 Posted 06 August 2018 - 10:03 PM

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View Postjabster_from_forum, on 06 August 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

 

It's not illegal to have alternate accounts. I'm just adressing concerns that my post count is higher than my battles played. It felt kind of pathetic, I must admit. Of course, I could have 'rerolled' my main account, but playing 250 battles to regain access would take me the better part of a year. 

 

 

 

Sarcasm mate.

 

My post count is rapidly catching up to my battles too.



Hellraiser0201 #17 Posted 07 August 2018 - 12:47 AM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 06 August 2018 - 11:03 PM, said:

 

Sarcasm mate.

 

My post count is rapidly catching up to my battles too.

 

I recently discovered that playing in the forum is the new meta :D much more fun than playing the actual game.

 

And i also noticed that in almost every single post opened there is at least 1 comment about the broken MM :D

 

 

 



Slyspy #18 Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:23 AM

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View PostDorander, on 06 August 2018 - 09:13 PM, said:

I remember a Wargaming article referencing special MM rules for stock tanks, they'd have a better chance of being top tier. There's a vague reference still to it here: https://worldoftanks...atchmaking-918/

 

I'm having trouble finding the original source that I remember though. Even so, the article only mentions a "number of battles" and that the design is "to create seperate battles for newcomers". There's no references to what it exactly means, however it seems silly to assume that one only loses the status of "newcomer" once a tank has become elite.

 

One source would be the original mm patent much misunderstood prior to the new mm. 

 

Edit:

 

On reflection the patent was for the pref MM for a new tank, not necessarily a stock tank (although obviously they would often be one and the same).


Edited by Slyspy, 07 August 2018 - 09:54 AM.


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View Postcoolmeltdown, on 06 August 2018 - 04:47 PM, said:

 

i have noticed something, and that is the fact tanks get a even worse MM when they become elite!.

for example i like my obj 705 it always got 4/5 games a equal tier 9 battle, and that was always very nice,

and because of this nice MM it always got with a rare tier 10 MM inbetween, i loved playign with it,

HOWEVER since it became elite yesterday, the MM changed!, i played 4 games today all 4 were tier 10 games!

that is no coincidence!!!, i immidiatly noticed the change!!!..

 

how can i remove the elite status from my obj705???, iam not intressted in the obj 705A it has a bad gun!, and the normal (not elite) obj705 gets a good MM..anyway to remove my elite status???

 

I can't imagine, but maybe you are right. Why don't you watch that and provide some hard data after, let's say 50 battles just to really confirm what you are thinking.

Fighto #20 Posted 07 August 2018 - 11:07 AM

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Playing the super conquer I get dreadful MM and in op tanks such as the T10 and obj430 i get 7-9 MM all the time.




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