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Vidster #61 Posted 28 August 2010 - 02:15 AM

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T-44 is about 14k when fully destroyed. My average repair bill is 11k and still 7k even when we win. However. On a good day i can come out with 6 kills on med/heavy tanks and 20k-30k credits. It's not all bad owning a T-44.

On my Panther i can't even dream of playing without premium. Maybe i'm just using it wrong but i lose far more than i make.

TempSGK #62 Posted 28 August 2010 - 02:23 AM

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This has been concerning me, but lots of T44 Players I notice they  mostly go by themselves without backup of other tanks, I also notice compared to a tier 8 medium like the panther they die somewhere at the start of the game LoL >_>.

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View PostHojieko, on 28 August 2010 - 02:23 AM, said:

This has been concerning me, but lots of T44 Players I notice they  mostly go by themselves without backup of other tanks, I also notice compared to a tier 8 medium like the panther they die somewhere at the start of the game LoL >_>.
This is because there are people who buy into the myth that this tank is some mythical creature of invulnerability.  These people are idiots.

Preditorian #64 Posted 28 August 2010 - 02:56 AM

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I just love the "Oh crap" factor when you run up on 3 Tier 4-5 tanks and kill them all.  By the way, scenarios like this are why people have this image of the T-44 being an instant super tank.  To many lower tiers not understanding its a Tier 8. :)

Sue #65 Posted 28 August 2010 - 03:20 AM

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View PostPreditorian, on 28 August 2010 - 02:56 AM, said:

I just love the "Oh crap" factor when you run up on 3 Tier 4-5 tanks and kill them all.  By the way, scenarios like this are why people have this image of the T-44 being an instant super tank.  To many lower tiers not understanding its a Tier 8. :)

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Dark_MadMax #66 Posted 28 August 2010 - 03:49 AM

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Only thing I want to add is that people are too defensive about t44, overstating insane ammo rack damages. Its extremely durable tank (especially in comparison to panther) and with wet ammo rack it hardly ever explodes.  It repair costs are inline with other tier 8 tanks and ammo is non factor cost (100mm ammo is dirt cheap). Its great money maker and on average you get 30k credits per battle (not counting costs) with a  couple of 50k ones per night usually -(same things are actually true about panther).

Its  very good and probably the most versatile tank in game while at same time being balanced for its tier.    I feel doing anything (to nerf or buff it) will create imbalances

Benaulim #67 Posted 28 August 2010 - 07:34 AM

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View PostHojieko, on 28 August 2010 - 01:39 AM, said:

I don't know but what's the Repair cost for the T44?

Starts with 225 for some light track damage while 14.271 is the maximum repair cost. Which then again its drivers got to pay a lot after getting killed by one shot until they invest 500.000 in a Wet Ammo Rack. Opposite to public belief and hearsay the T-44 doesn't bounce too many shells meaning that if you enter the battlefield and start receiving hits the average repair cost easily climbs to something around 10.000.

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View PostDark_MadMax, on 28 August 2010 - 03:49 AM, said:

Only thing I want to add is that people are too defensive about t44, overstating insane ammo rack damages. Its extremely durable tank (especially in comparison to panther) and with wet ammo rack it hardly ever explodes.  It repair costs are inline with other tier 8 tanks and ammo is non factor cost (100mm ammo is dirt cheap). Its great money maker and on average you get 30k credits per battle (not counting costs) with a  couple of 50k ones per night usually -(same things are actually true about panther). (...)

Complete and utter nonsense.

destruya #69 Posted 28 August 2010 - 07:59 AM

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Yeah, even with incredible matches I've hit *near* 30k maybe less than five times.  Never 50k.  And this is pre-repair, too.

Destroid #70 Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:44 AM

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My best pre-repair is about 38k in T-44.

LiannaSilverwind #71 Posted 28 August 2010 - 12:27 PM

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T-44 is usually one of the team's top tanks, attracting SPGs attention. Especially if T-44 driver likes to stop before firing or circling slowly.
Most T-44 drivers prefer to play solo, killing low tier enemies, collecting 5+ frags and feeling imba. The solution is very simple: hit T-44 tracks and see it burn. Even if you did not destroy it, knocked out gunner, loader or damaged rack are enough to make it miss and reload for eternity; damaged engine or knocked out driver makes it crawl. Damaged T-44 can be swarmed and destroyed by lower tier tanks as well.

Besides in Russian release T-44 is already nerfed.

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View PostSilverwindLianna, on 28 August 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

Besides in Russian release T-44 is already nerfed.
How have they nerfed it, out of interest?

Frosty #73 Posted 28 August 2010 - 01:11 PM

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On paper T-44 rly looks impresive. Good gun, nice armor, high mobility, low profile. Well apparently so far i've never met a properly driven T-44 in combat cause in 1 vs 1 situations my Panther (fully upgraded, with turret drive and gun stablilzer) always comes out as a winner (altough to be honest the same thing appllies to Panthers). T-44 is fast, yes - but Panthers 48km/h is enaugh - especialy that with the most powerfull engine i can keep this tank at speed in combat situation - not only on straights. Turret turn rate is not as good as t-44's, but Panter is agile enaugh so that i can keep enemy in my sights. Damn, its so agile that i managed to drive "8's" around two Tigers takin them both down. Long 88 is a better weapon than t-44's 100mm and noone usues 122 - even if i'd get hit once by that thing, i'd be able to put third of fourth shell in that tank before he can fire again... And on many of ocasions 4 shells is all i need. Of course i dont come out of these encouters unscratched, but T-44 is a same tier tank - it should be dangerous. Perhaps a key to killin T-44's is manual aimin' - I always try to place my shell between the road whells - hull plates there are vertical and therefore chances for a ricochete are almost zero.

What really worries me is that very few ppl can actually utilise med tanks advanteges - they all sit in the bushes thinkin they r TD's or hang way behind me tryin (poorely) to snipe while im takin on 4 or 5 tanks at the same time in close combat. On rare ocasions, if there is good fellow Panther driver in my team we can rly do miracles but that happenes once in 50 battles or even more.

Prokyon #74 Posted 28 August 2010 - 01:21 PM

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The T-44 is fine -- as is the Panther. Both tanks require different play styles for them to be effective. I've played both a fully upgraded T-44 and a Panther. The Panther, however, fits my play style better, having an average survival rate of approximately 72% as opposed to 5x% in the T-44 (while also having a lot more kills with Panther).
The T-44 is fast, agile but also fragile and lacking a good gun. The Panther is still quite fast, not as maneuverable but has almost 30% more HP and the better gun. So the T-44 is more of a close to mid range quick strike weapon, while the Panther strikes from long ranges, utilizing the 88 L/71's high penetration and very good accuracy.

Most people don't use both tanks the way they're intended to by used. Lots of T-44 I see on the battlefield seem to think they're some sort of russian Kurt Knispels, rushing into groups of enemies, getting tracked and shot to pieces (it's ridiculously easy to track T-44's).

So all things considered I have to say that both tanks have their strengths and weaknesses and it's up to the player to use them effectively.

dnarag1m #75 Posted 28 August 2010 - 02:03 PM

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I really don't understand how people get such low survival rates with the T44.

First 50 battles I had a survival rate of 83% (still cautious, not fully upgraded so slower).
Once I passed 100 battles I've been on between 75 and 78% survival.

My playstyle is aggressive, I always am the first of the pack leading the attack or doing a flanking maneuvre with risk of being 1 vs enemyteam somewhere.

I am quite selective on the high end about my targets - I usually dont engage KT+, IS3+ unless with assistance or without choice (defence/last man standing).

As an experienced T44 driver I do think that it is an inferior tank to the Panther. I dont mind in-game, but I am curious how this 'was' or 'would have been' in real life in 45'.
Nerfing the T44's engine is a stupid decision, its only advantage was its agility and speed - besides that the Panther is superior atm.

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View Postdnarag1m, on 28 August 2010 - 02:03 PM, said:

I really don't understand how people get such low survival rates with the T44.

First 50 battles I had a survival rate of 83% (still cautious, not fully upgraded so slower).
Once I passed 100 battles I've been on between 75 and 78% survival.

My playstyle is aggressive, I always am the first of the pack leading the attack or doing a flanking maneuvre with risk of being 1 vs enemyteam somewhere.

I am quite selective on the high end about my targets - I usually dont engage KT+, IS3+ unless with assistance or without choice (defence/last man standing).

As an experienced T44 driver I do think that it is an inferior tank to the Panther. I dont mind in-game, but I am curious how this 'was' or 'would have been' in real life in 45'.
Nerfing the T44's engine is a stupid decision, its only advantage was its agility and speed - besides that the Panther is superior atm.

Assuming your team even wins  60% of the time (unlikely)  , a 75/78% survival rate would indicate quite a few times your team loses, while you live. Now, I certainly don't begrudge people saving on repair costs (The -44 can be a PITA to repair w/o premium). But i wouldn't really call that aggressive play.

Just IMO

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View Postphawkins1988, on 28 August 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

How have they nerfed it, out of interest?

From what I read they lowered the horsepower slightly. That is all I saw though. If that is the only nerf then it should still be fine.

TempSGK #78 Posted 28 August 2010 - 02:35 PM

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Will the Nerf be applied to the Patch on September 1?

xxxSmurfHunterxxx #79 Posted 28 August 2010 - 03:03 PM

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I played with tank's in Tiger's line to reach that "super" tank before stoping of server.
Finaly reached King Tiger (with xp) even i didnt magane to buy it, cause server was stoped the day i was going to.

After "whipe", I was rly looking into continuing that plan that i had (buying KT). And finaly reach Maus. But I rly dont like playing game sitting around in bushes and waiting so i could kill someone (althought i like to be hammer of team). Beside, if big fellas dont have little one to escort them they cant see opponents until it is probably too late. (It does happen, when noone playes like a team).

Beside Tiger, i had Leopard that was here for fast ride, fun and bringing dinner home (credit's and xp).
I liked that style of play, and decided to try out Panther/Panther II or T44/T54.
Though they were more less same. Since i've seen them on my team and i sow what can they do. They look a bit same.
And i must say i've fought many battles against t44 and panthers, and panthers did looked more scary to me and more tough.

Than i started looking into forum what people say, which one is better.
Drivers of t44 (some of them) saying it has offten minor problems, such as amo rack compering it to Tiger... (Dont compere nothing to tiger it cant be that bad!) ^^
But by lurking on forum i've found that there are only topics such as: Medium Tenk blablabla, and T44 OP, T44 that, T44 that...t44 blabla...and so on
Which brings us to the point that T44 realy is best buy. Even i cant stand russian tenk's, i just might get one. ^^

But let's be real. How much by a game(avarage) do you earn playing without premium acc xp, and credits?
Cause i believe that t44 and panther are same amusement to play. And After patch they will be more less same.

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View PostHojieko, on 28 August 2010 - 02:35 PM, said:

Will the Nerf be applied to the Patch on September 1?

There is no patch on sept 1st. It's a few days later. Sep 1st is just when the NA server opens.




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