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REWORK of old x tier meds

X tiers Meds Old tanks rework balance STB E50M Leopard 1 OP Soviets

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Cobra6 #21 Posted 10 August 2018 - 07:49 AM

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STB-1 just needs the god-aweful dispersion on movement- and rotation of the hull brought in line with 2018. Back in the days this was a balancing factor for the "high" DPM but since pretty much all RU mediums now have the same DPM with vastly better gun handling, this "balancing" factor needs to be removed.

 

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HassenderZerhacker #22 Posted 10 August 2018 - 07:53 AM

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View PostHedgehog1963, on 10 August 2018 - 05:58 AM, said:

Perhaps you never should have, given it is irrelevant.

 

doesn't stop others commenting about mine though :)

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View Postma321bo, on 09 August 2018 - 09:00 AM, said:

Could wargaming make some rework on the old meds like Leopard, STB or E50? They are being slightly bad and unplayable in new era version 1.1. Compared to USSR meds like Obj. 430 they are rly bad. I mean... Wargaming want balanced tanks and they make OP Obj 430B. Open your eyes developers.

 

STB's needs it's hydropneumatic suspension, kinda similar to STRV's siege mode.

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 10 August 2018 - 06:53 AM, said:

 

doesn't stop others commenting about mine though :)

 

Lowering yourself to their level?

 

Besides,  you have an excuse.  You play German tanks.:teethhappy:



Cobra6 #25 Posted 10 August 2018 - 08:53 AM

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View PostArmouredElephant, on 10 August 2018 - 07:43 AM, said:

 

STB's needs it's hydropneumatic suspension, kinda similar to STRV's siege mode.

 

No, for the love of god do not give this medium that useless siege mode!

 

Improve gun handling on the move, done!

 

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Simeon85 #26 Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:38 AM

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Yeh STB-1 is a simple fix, aim time buff and dispersion buff.


For some reason the STB-1 is the only (single-shot) 390 or 320 alpha tier 10 med with a 2.3s aim time, all the rest are like 2.1s or better.  It has worst aim time than the TVP and Progetto 65 for some reason, even though those are autoloaders.

 

2s aim time, with 0.12/0.12/0.10 dispersion would do it, what would be interesting would be -12 gun depression if they want to give it something different. 

 

Leopard 1 needs a re-balance, hyper inflate it's 'sniper' capabilities, give it -

 

  • 420 alpha,
  • 280mm of APCR pen,
  • 1700 m/s shell velocity,
  • super fast aim time down to like 1.5s,
  • very low turret dispersion of like 0.06 
  • buff the movement dispersion down to about 0.15.
  • Nerf the DPM a little, to about 2.5k base. 
  • Accuracy down to 0.25 

 

You'd have a very accurate, high pen sniper tank that hit harder than the other meds, but was still not great at firing on the move and of course was still paper. 

 

The 121 needs some power to weight buff I reckon, plus the 430U nerfing and that would probably be fine, as they have finally fixed the gun depression of it so it's not awkward.

 

E50M could get some DPM buffs and maybe some buffs related to ramming would be an interesting change. Like I have seen it suggested that you could up the weight even more (and the engine power to compensate) and give it a strip of really thick frontal armour on the join to the lower plate so that it was the ultimate ramming machine. Maybe also a buff to the lower plate armour, people consistently ask for the turret armour to be buffed but I don't think we need more super turret tier 10 tanks and because it's so flat you'd have to make the turret front like 270-280mm thick to make any real difference. 

 

No idea what to do with the T-62A, it's a classic case of a perfectly good tank that has been power crept by the 140 buffs and the 430U. Turret armour buffs so that it becomes the king of russian medium turrets again? 

 

It would be good for them to do stuff that differentiates these tanks a bit, give them different styles and flavours rather than their go to buff of medium tanks recently which just seems to be to slap more turret armour on them like they did with Patton, Cent AX, Obj. 140 etc. 

 

Give these tanks their own individual way of playing so they offer something different to the other tier 10 meds otherwise they come out all a bit the same and then an obvious best one appears and all the others look pointless which is basically what the Obj. 140, Obj. 430U and Fatton do at the moment. 


Edited by Simeon85, 10 August 2018 - 09:43 AM.


Andrasan89 #27 Posted 10 August 2018 - 02:13 PM

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View Postkaneloon, on 10 August 2018 - 02:10 AM, said:

 

Please don't speak about unknown subjects to you.

You don't play tX, you don't play stb1.

 

They lowered its armor : removed more than they added, now it is just an arty attraction, and everybody focus it.

dont worry..thats not my main account

turret is better for sure now and dont see where its weaker on armor now

but agree...that was an almost insignifiant buff

 

View PostCobra6, on 10 August 2018 - 07:49 AM, said:

STB-1 just needs the god-aweful dispersion on movement- and rotation of the hull brought in line with 2018. Back in the days this was a balancing factor for the "high" DPM but since pretty much all RU mediums now have the same DPM with vastly better gun handling, this "balancing" factor needs to be removed.

 

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needs to be removed from UP tanks or to be ADDED to those new overbuffed ones

it still can be a good balancing factor...but only if its applyed to ALL !!






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