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Poll: Worst tier 9 medium tank (61 members have cast votes)

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Worst tier 9 medium after Leopard PT A

  1. Amx30 (11 votes [18.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.03%

  2. Centurion Mk.7/1 (10 votes [16.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.39%

  3. Type 61 (40 votes [65.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 65.57%

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adameitas #21 Posted 10 August 2018 - 08:52 AM

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well all t9 mediums are good. mainly bc of t9 mm. Sure 430 II is just..  idont know what kind of role that tank should fit but imo it just sucks and that is odd knowing it is russian tank. WZ had alpha and enough pen so tank is at least unique, same with t54e1 (clip with alpha). A bit problems is with 7/1 bc tha tank dont have normal prem ammo but it is still fine. All in all i found t9 meds great in general (apart 430 II).

Cobra6 #22 Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:08 AM

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I honestly don't know why people hate on the Type61, it's actually a really solid T9 medium.

 

Good gun handling and no useless armor weighing it down.

 

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doriansky1 #23 Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:10 AM

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The real question is : why so many people think the Centurion 7/1 is bad. 

Mike_Mckay #24 Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:15 AM

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The worst tier 9 medium isn't a specific tank, its just whichever one I happen to be driving at any given moment in time :)

sgtYester #25 Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:18 AM

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type 61 is hands down the worst, obj 430II after turret nerf is rly close behind



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View Postdoriansky1, on 10 August 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

The real question is : why so many people think the Centurion 7/1 is bad. 

 

it has no normal gold ammo and that became really important in nowadays wot. Sure base pen is very good like paton or e50 with premium ammo but unlike those 2 7/1 has no special ups. Like m46 has rof, VR, gun handling or e50 gun handling, armor. HESH was great on old FV mainly bc of rof. Now 9 reload time on 7/1 is just too big to make worth to risk loading HESH. I think wg simply could just reduce alpha to 350 same time reducing reload time to like 7 secs or so then HESH would be worth something.

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View PostsgtYester, on 10 August 2018 - 08:18 AM, said:

type 61 is hands down the worst, obj 430II after turret nerf is rly close behind

 

how can type be worse 430 II? Type got better pen, alpha, dep, shell velocity. And what 430 II has? better gun handling with far less shell velocity for sniping tank... and dont forget about not fully turning turret.. Still dont get why they changed 430 II.. they said it do not fit line but same time didnt touch a-44. Lol before changes the only tank that didnt fit line was 416.. I guess they wanted to make 430 II similar to 416 but simply failed. 416 works bc it being t8 has t9 gun. While 430 II being t9 has t9 gun. Atm 430 II without any doubts is worst t9 and is playable only bc of t9 mm.

Vule777 #28 Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:44 AM

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I have onlyy Amx but I don't think that it's bad. I'm noob player and I can do ok with it, I also have Bc 25 but with it I can only kill myself, Amx is beast for Bc, for me at least.

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430 v2 is easily the worst has literally nothing going for it that you can't get in another package that is less awkward. 

 

Zero reason to play that tank IMO, if you want a 'sniper' tank then play the Cent 7/1 or Leo PTA they have more pen, more gun depression, are more accurate and have no awkward rear turret to deal with. Plus the Cent 7/1 actually has decent turret armour. 

 

AMX 30 is the best IMO, all round offers pretty much everything you need, it's a little paper but does have some turret armour to use especially when top tier against 7s and 8s, then has very good DPM, handling, and mobility.

 

E50 and Patton are both very solid but suffer from lack of a tier 10 premium round, the Cent 7/1 also suffers from this. The Cent 7/1 also suffers from poor DPM and awful dispersion, but does at least make up for it with the armour package being useful. 

 

Type 61 is just a bit too average at everything that you might as well get one of the other tanks as they are as good at what it does whilst being better in other areas, especially compared to the AMX 30.

 

430 v2 is the worst IMO, then followed by the Type 61 and maybe the WZ-120.

 

All the rest I'd say are at least decent to good. 



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View Postadameitas, on 10 August 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

 

it has no normal gold ammo and that became really important in nowadays wot. Sure base pen is very good like paton or e50 with premium ammo but unlike those 2 7/1 has no special ups. Like m46 has rof, VR, gun handling or e50 gun handling, armor. HESH was great on old FV mainly bc of rof. Now 9 reload time on 7/1 is just too big to make worth to risk loading HESH. I think wg simply could just reduce alpha to 350 same time reducing reload time to like 7 secs or so then HESH would be worth something.

 

I was rethorical :) 

Yes, Centurion 7/1 base pen is similar(or even better) compared with E50/Patton premium. 268 base pen is more than enough except for Maus/Type5/268v4, which let's be honest you don't see very often, and even if you see them i don't think you are supposed to deal with those guys frontally (even if we all know the story, world of corridors, Abbey, Ensky, etc).  Shell velocity is amazing. Gun handling is very nice.  210 HESH pen means that every single tier 8-9 lower plate is pennable. Turret armor it's also OK due to the -10 gun depression.

Rate of fire is indeed bad, but that doesn't make it one of the worst tier 9 meds. 

My 2 cents.



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View PostCobra6, on 10 August 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

I honestly don't know why people hate on the Type61, it's actually a really solid T9 medium.

 

Good gun handling and no useless armor weighing it down.

 

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Because the gun handling is far, far from "good" as it will miss every shot not fully aimed...and even T7s will pen you pretty much everywhere with standard ammo. I would say its the worst tier 9 MT by a fair margin. It has absolutely NOTHING going for it. 

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View PostJocMeister, on 10 August 2018 - 09:07 AM, said:

 

Because the gun handling is far, far from "good" as it will miss every shot not fully aimed...and even T7s will pen you pretty much everywhere with standard ammo. I would say its the worst tier 9 MT by a fair margin. It has absolutely NOTHING going for it. 

 

well it has 258 base pen (not all t9 meds have it), it has 390 alpha (same), it has great gun dep (again far not all t9 meds have it), gun handling may be not shineing (is at same levels like amx 30) but still is much better then on 7/1 or e1, well armor is bad but again not worst i guess and again its medium not heavy. In general it is quite decent medium. Main his downside is that he isnt best in anything. In most cases he is a bit over average or opposite a bit under average. At least for me it has everything what i need from medium: mobility, overall over average gun stats, very nice gun dep.

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View Postdoriansky1, on 10 August 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

 

I was rethorical :) 

Yes, Centurion 7/1 base pen is similar(or even better) compared with E50/Patton premium. 268 base pen is more than enough except for Maus/Type5/268v4, which let's be honest you don't see very often, and even if you see them i don't think you are supposed to deal with those guys frontally (even if we all know the story, world of corridors, Abbey, Ensky, etc).  Shell velocity is amazing. Gun handling is very nice.  210 HESH pen means that every single tier 8-9 lower plate is pennable. Turret armor it's also OK due to the -10 gun depression.

Rate of fire is indeed bad, but that doesn't make it one of the worst tier 9 meds. 

My 2 cents.

 

problem is that that 210 seem good only on paper. In games it is just worth to use it. Bc you really need a lot of factors to be on your side to pen with it. And simply situation in game often changes faster then you reload.

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View Postadameitas, on 10 August 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

 

well it has 258 base pen (not all t9 meds have it), it has 390 alpha (same), it has great gun dep (again far not all t9 meds have it), gun handling may be not shineing (is at same levels like amx 30) but still is much better then on 7/1 or e1, well armor is bad but again not worst i guess and again its medium not heavy. In general it is quite decent medium. Main his downside is that he isnt best in anything. In most cases he is a bit over average or opposite a bit under average. At least for me it has everything what i need from medium: mobility, overall over average gun stats, very nice gun dep.

 

Many T9 MTs actually have pretty good gun dep so I don´t really think it sets the Type apart. And armor is absolutely horrible...even the PTA has more of it. I guess the BC probably has less but that one is more of a LT than a MT anyway.

 

Personally I have most tier 9 MTs and the Type is the only one I would say is outright bad. WZ is pretty damn bad as well but at least it has a meme gun for the laughs. Type can only be played like a 2nd or even 3rd line sniper and in that role the PTA is much better.



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View Postadameitas, on 10 August 2018 - 12:47 PM, said:

 

problem is that that 210 seem good only on paper. In games it is just worth to use it. Bc you really need a lot of factors to be on your side to pen with it. And simply situation in game often changes faster then you reload.

 

That is absolutely right! 210 pen with 480 damage HESH ammo looks fantastic on paper, but in game; somehow it cant pen a ?@^$, even against paper armoured tanks. Somehow it cannot pen, I dont know why but more than %50 of your shoots not penning and doing 150-200 damage at most.. So, I decided to not use it. If there is a paper armor tank is standing next to you, you also can pen him with you standart HE ammo (105 pen). If standart HE ammo cant pen it, most probably your premium HESH will not pen it too. You may think that its a bullslit, but no, I guess premium HESH on Cent 7/1 is somehow bugged.. I cant think anything else to explain its reason..

 

Btw, AMX 30 is one of the best tier 9 meds. Its absultely a beast on the right hands! 


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Only T9 med I haven't played so far is the Italian T9.

 

Of all T9 meds, the WZ en the 'new and improved' 430 II stand out as less than useful tanks. The WZ is so horrible I constantly look for excuses not to finish the grind. The 430 II... Used to be a fun tank. When it still had armour to bully tanks. Now it is a poor 416. Playable, but handicapped to the point I'd rather play almost any T8 medium over it.

 

However, to put one of the best, if not the best, T9 med in a vote to 'decide' which one is worst of its tier... That is worthy of a raised eyebrow.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 09 August 2018 - 07:48 PM, said:

Out of the 3 options you gave us... I have most of the tier 9 meds before even those 3. Inc the newly buffed 430 II. The armor and pen buff was nice. But it's still suffers the same way for my style anyway, as in the platform the gun is on. And I sold my Leo PTA the second I got my AMX 30 elited. After it's ROF and turret buff, it was mostly superior in every aspect. I saw no reason to keep the Leo after that tank. 

 

Yeah i completely muck up that trade I'm afraid. I played all of my amx 30 games pre buff, then sold it and bought the PTA about 5 weeks before the 30 got buffed :(

 

OP I've played every tier 9 med (indeed they are my favourite) except one, the type 61 as i haven't the balls to grind it yet. the worst.... i think it's between the WZ and Typ e



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View PostJocMeister, on 10 August 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

 

Many T9 MTs actually have pretty good gun dep so I don´t really think it sets the Type apart. And armor is absolutely horrible...even the PTA has more of it. I guess the BC probably has less but that one is more of a LT than a MT anyway.

 

Personally I have most tier 9 MTs and the Type is the only one I would say is outright bad. WZ is pretty damn bad as well but at least it has a meme gun for the laughs. Type can only be played like a 2nd or even 3rd line sniper and in that role the PTA is much better.

 

well out of 15 t9 meds only 3 have 10 dep. Second number is 8 and personally i see huge difference in it. Sure it depends on gameplay style a lot. Well yes it has bad armor but it is not the only one and really dont think tha tpta has better armor. I would say both of them dont have it.

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yeah wz120 is kinda trash the other ones i liked

Kommandant_Mia #40 Posted 11 August 2018 - 11:27 AM

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WZ-120 is quite awful, and I hear the same about the tier 10, so it's been gathering dust for a few years.




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