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Karasu_Hidesuke #1 Posted 09 August 2018 - 10:27 PM

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The German USK (German Entertainment Sofware Self Regulation Body) has decided to allow Wolfenstein to show off not only the mustache but historically accurate swastikas. The DW article tells us that the issue will be decided on a game by game basis. Any chance we might see WG going for it in the future? What this be a good idea in general?

 

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-lifts-ban-on-swastika-hitler-mustache-in-wolfenstein-video-game/a-45024101



NekoPuffer_PPP #2 Posted 09 August 2018 - 10:31 PM

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Great.

Enforcer1975 #3 Posted 09 August 2018 - 10:32 PM

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Well that isn't a bad step.

Banning it won't stop radicals and modding the game will give those who want it what they want anyway.....no matter the reason ( historical accuracy, fanatism etc. )

They should never have tried to hide or deny history....it's pathetic imo. 

I didn't buy Wolfenstein because it was ruined by the ban but even if they lift it now i won't buy it either. 



Balc0ra #4 Posted 09 August 2018 - 10:37 PM

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It's still not just Germany that stands on if WG want's to do it or not. Though they have been harsh on it for years with their games at least. 

Shut_The_Foch_Up #5 Posted 09 August 2018 - 11:30 PM

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So you want that in a game where every pixel screams soviet bias to have swastikas on german tanks...sure...I mean...I love nazis and swastika and I would like to see all that stuff in the game...but there’s a better chance of me becoming a billionaire, buying the company and then introducing that stuff in the game than wg to put them in themselves.

Joggaman #6 Posted 10 August 2018 - 12:03 AM

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swastika emblems for gold.....

Now THAT is a true dilemma:(



Kommandant_Mia #7 Posted 10 August 2018 - 12:20 AM

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Of course it would be a good idea.  I think the weapons did more harm than the symbols ever did.  It's part of history and I see absolutely no reason not to include it.

In some games you can snipe off the balls of soldiers in graphic slow motion,  but god forbid someone sees a symbol.   LAME!





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What'd the point of adding swastika symbols to World of Tanks be exactly? Seems to me that the only concievable reason people could legitimately have for wanting them added is so they can try to be "edgy".

 

German tanks already have a symbol for their tanks. World of Tanks is not a historical tank game, while it uses historical tank designs as a basis for part of its tank collection, the gameplay is in no way historical and neither is the rest of the design. We're not advancing batallions under the flags of historical nations here, unlike Wolfenstein which takes place in a Nazi Germany setting. We're shooting at each other in a randomly generated mishmash of tanks.



FizzleMcSnizzle #9 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:06 AM

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The big question is what will happen when the inevitable Indian line is introduced. The swastika was originally an ancient Vedic symbol after all. Meant (and means) something quite different to Hindus.

PhooBar #10 Posted 10 August 2018 - 03:15 AM

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I've still got my original copy of Wolfenstein on 3 1/2" floppy.  Swazi's everywhere.

It's a game about killing nazi's.  What's not to like?



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View PostBrowarszky, on 09 August 2018 - 10:27 PM, said:

The German USK (German Entertainment Sofware Self Regulation Body) has decided to allow Wolfenstein to show off not only the mustache but historically accurate swastikas. The DW article tells us that the issue will be decided on a game by game basis. Any chance we might see WG going for it in the future? What this be a good idea in general?

 

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-lifts-ban-on-swastika-hitler-mustache-in-wolfenstein-video-game/a-45024101

 

The difference is that in Wolfenstein, no players play the role of nazis.

In WoT, applying swastikas to tanks would amount to allow payers to compete under nazi colors, which won't happen in my opinion.

 


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 10 August 2018 - 05:32 AM.


Troubledove #12 Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:25 AM

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If WG worries about people getting offended and angry over their game... Too late.

Actually adding swastikas and "*edit" inscriptions might divert attention away from current issues in gameplay. So actually going for it might regenerate some PR value.

Just saying.

Edited by xxTANK_Uxx, 10 August 2018 - 05:28 PM.
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jabster #13 Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:57 AM

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View PostDorander, on 09 August 2018 - 11:51 PM, said:

What'd the point of adding swastika symbols to World of Tanks be exactly? Seems to me that the only concievable reason people could legitimately have for wanting them added is so they can try to be "edgy".

 

German tanks already have a symbol for their tanks. World of Tanks is not a historical tank game, while it uses historical tank designs as a basis for part of its tank collection, the gameplay is in no way historical and neither is the rest of the design. We're not advancing batallions under the flags of historical nations here, unlike Wolfenstein which takes place in a Nazi Germany setting. We're shooting at each other in a randomly generated mishmash of tanks.

 

More importantly the identification symbol for a German tank wasn’t the swastika so the historical argument really doesn’t come into it.


Edited by jabster, 10 August 2018 - 05:58 AM.


Jigabachi #14 Posted 10 August 2018 - 07:26 AM

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For Wolfenstein it might make sense, because that symbolism is a big part of the overall gamedesign there.
Here... not so much. Except WG wants to turn all crewmembers into Addy clones.

Cobra6 #15 Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:01 AM

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Nothing wrong with historical accuracy, put proper markings on vehicles I'd say.

 

Since they all should have a Balkenkreuz it doesn't really matter though. This would be far more important for War Thunder and World of Warplanes.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 10 August 2018 - 09:02 AM.


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View PostBrowarszky, on 09 August 2018 - 11:27 PM, said:

Any chance we might see WG going for it in the future?

 

Nope. Look at the reasoning why they allowed it for Wolfenstein:

- "Through the change in the interpretation of the law, games that critically look at current affairs can, for the first time, be given an age rating by the USK" - We don't have any narrative in WoT at all.

- From now on, USK judges will decide if content has "an artistic or scientific purpose, or helps to depict current or historical events." - None of that applies to WoT.



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Many of you didnt lose a family member to nazi war crime machine , so you have no idea what are you proposing.

 

But since a good portion of world countries is moving towards new fascism , it doesnt surprise me to see these kind of propositions here.



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View PostSteiner011, on 10 August 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

Many of you didnt lose a family member to nazi war crime machine , so you have no idea what are you proposing.

 

But since a good portion of world countries is moving towards new fascism , it doesnt surprise me to see these kind of propositions here.

 

Sgt Steiner has swastikas on his uniform.  You have him as an avatar.

Cobra6 #19 Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:01 AM

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View PostSteiner011, on 10 August 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

Many of you didnt lose a family member to nazi war crime machine , so you have no idea what are you proposing.

 

But since a good portion of world countries is moving towards new fascism , it doesnt surprise me to see these kind of propositions here.

 

What? People wanting to maintain their culture, values and country are now fascists? Really dude?

 

As for family members, no I didn't lose them but they were still put on trains. However, it's now 70 years ago, let it rest, it's history.

It's fine in works of art, it becomes a problem when you start to walk under the same banner again, until then depiction of anything should not be a problem.

 

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Jigabachi #20 Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:08 AM

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View PostSteiner011, on 10 August 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

Many of you didnt lose a family member to nazi war crime machine , so you have no idea what are you prproposing.

You are playing a war game and you have a (fictional?) member of the German military as your avatar and even in your name. That's called hypocrisy. 

 

Not showing symbols and other iconic things of the past anymore won't revive the victims  and games that glorify those things will definitely NOT get the ok of the USK, so I don't see the problem.


Edited by Jigabachi, 10 August 2018 - 10:10 AM.






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