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CmdRatScabies #101 Posted 10 August 2018 - 04:54 PM

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View Postjabster, on 10 August 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

 

There’s a surprise. Has Xmas been banned again?

 

Might have been.  Need to check Donald Trump's tweets.

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For a complete study on Democide (Murder by Government) see this website, including democide v genocide etc. 



duijm #103 Posted 10 August 2018 - 04:58 PM

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View Postjabster, on 10 August 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

 

Trying to simplify actions that happen in war is not a good starting position. I’m also not sure where you got the war crimes have no use statement from.

 

I am not simplifying anything.  The other guy is. War is no black and white.  Nazi are terrible....but Stalin was too....and Allies did fight for a good cause but commited warcrimes too.  Ingnorance is seeing only one side of a conflict. 

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View PostBrowarszky, on 10 August 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

 

No, but it is an indication of a 'sanitizing' frame of mind, as it were. Would be incredibly awkward if that kind of way of seeing things would become more wide spread. Obviously any re-enactment group needs to 'police' its own as well so that their activities don't slip from strictly historical into political.

 

It’s an indication at one event. Are you serioulsy trying to claim that applies to Britain as a whole because that’s what you would seem to have implied.

jabster #105 Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:03 PM

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View Postduijm, on 10 August 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

 

I am not simplifying anything.  The other guy is. War is no black and white.  Nazi are terrible....but Stalin was too....and Allies did fight for a good cause but commited warcrimes too.  Ingnorance is seeing only one side of a conflict. 

 

Yes you were trying to simplify things and that is what I pointed out.

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 10 August 2018 - 03:54 PM, said:

 

Might have been.  Need to check Donald Trump's tweets.

 

Fake news surely?

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View Postjabster, on 10 August 2018 - 04:00 PM, said:

 

It’s an indication at one event. Are you serioulsy trying to claim that applies to Britain as a whole because that’s what you would seem to have implied.

 

I have no idea. It is an isolated event, I think, but I also think it is not a healthy sign, at least.

duijm #108 Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:10 PM

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View Postjabster, on 10 August 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

 

Yes you were trying to simplify things and that is what I pointed out.

 

Well maybe yo were right. But it did not make my first point about Dresden completely wrong. Maybe bombing did had some use but I was not justified to bomb areas with no production etc and kill kill so many civilians.

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View PostHedgehog1963, on 10 August 2018 - 04:13 PM, said:

 

Oh please.  TV villain doesn't even come close.  The nazis were the worst regime in the history of this planet and dressing like one is just being a wannabe. And yeah I've heard all the arguments before so spare me.

 

View Postduijm, on 10 August 2018 - 04:21 PM, said:

 

Stalins regime made more casualties......but since when is there a number on casualties when it comes to warcrimes?

 

View PostHedgehog1963, on 10 August 2018 - 04:26 PM, said:

 

Ah now we deflect towards Stalin.  Well done for being so predictable.

 

Do you think what Stalin did makes the nazis any less vile?  You're wrong if you do.
 

 

-> Claim that regime x is the worst of all time withoit specifying by what merits

-> Someone comes with the counter point that regime y killed more people, so y is worse than x in terms of deaths caused by said regime

-> "Oh stop deflecting with other massmurderers!!!"

 

So, could you please enlighten us with what measurement the nazi regime is without a doubt more evil then stalinist russia? Or is the nazis most evil just because they are nazis?



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View PostBrowarszky, on 10 August 2018 - 05:06 PM, said:

 

I have no idea. It is an isolated event, I think, but I also think it is not a healthy sign, at least.

 

One isolated event does not a trend make (and this is one charity run event in somewhere I've never heard of).  I'm assuming there were no lack of German uniforms at Tank Fest?

jabster #111 Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:14 PM

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View PostBrowarszky, on 10 August 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

 

I have no idea. It is an isolated event, I think, but I also think it is not a healthy sign, at least.

 

Taking one event and then saying Britain just because it happened there would be awful silly don’t you think.



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View Postduijm, on 10 August 2018 - 04:10 PM, said:

 

Well maybe yo were right. But it did not make my first point about Dresden completely wrong. Maybe bombing did had some use but I was not justified to bomb areas with no production etc and kill kill so many civilians.

 

Why was it not justified considering it was still part of Germany’s military machine. Where do you think the line should be drawn in war?

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View Postjabster, on 10 August 2018 - 05:14 PM, said:

 

Taking one event and then saying Britain just because it happened there would be awful silly don’t you think.

 

Nothing us Brits enjoy more than dressing up as Germans and reliving our finest hour.  :izmena:

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View PostBordhaw, on 10 August 2018 - 03:54 PM, said:

 

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You want to see how many god has claimed to kill.



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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 10 August 2018 - 04:18 PM, said:

 

Nothing us Brits enjoy more than dressing up as Germans and reliving our finest hour.  :izmena:

 

In my younger days I used to go to wargaming shows and there always seem to the contingent who’d turn up dressed as the SS or Gestapo. What’s that all about?  

Jigabachi #116 Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:38 PM

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View PostSteiner011, on 10 August 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

So , you didnt watch the movie. You have read someones opinion from internet. 

 

If i wanted to form an opinion , i would watch the movie myself, and take liberty to form an opinion based on own observation.

I have absolutely no interest in that kind of war movies, so I relied on several reviews on some big movie portals. Let's say I watched the film and came to the same conclusion. What now?

 

And now back to your first statement you try to distract from: 

You glorify war by playing the game, you play the tanks that murdered thousands of people and destroyed homes. You glorify war by naming yourself after and choosing the avatar of a fictional soldier in a warmovie.

How exactly is displaying the missing symbols of a country/faction worse than that?

 

The symbols are completely pointless, it's just lines and color. It entirely depends on how you use them. Using them for historical accuracy in art (->games) and education should be no problem. Waving nazi flags in front of a Jewish old people residence... not that cool



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View Postjabster, on 10 August 2018 - 05:24 PM, said:

 

In my younger days I used to go to wargaming shows and there always seem to the contingent who’d turn up dressed as the SS or Gestapo. What’s that all about?

 

I remember Prince Harry's idea of appropriate fancy dress a few years ago.  Went down well. :facepalm:

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View Postjabster, on 10 August 2018 - 04:14 PM, said:

 

Taking one event and then saying Britain just because it happened there would be awful silly don’t you think.

 

You are right about me phrasing it poorly, now that I read it closely. I didn't mean that it might reflect the general mood in the country. I've heard it said that in the good old days Nazi paraphernalia was the standard way of going about if you wanted to show the finger to the older generation (who had fought in it or remember it well). Hard to imagine many of the old geezers are still around, unless they all moved to Yorkshire for some reason.

 

View Postjabster, on 10 August 2018 - 04:24 PM, said:

 

In my younger days I used to go to wargaming shows and there always seem to the contingent who’d turn up dressed as the SS or Gestapo. What’s that all about?  

 

Isn't Darth Vader the most popular Star Wars character? Wearing the black hat seems cooler than wearing the white hat for many, I think.

 


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View PostBrowarszky, on 10 August 2018 - 05:42 PM, said:

 

You are right about me phrasing it poorly, now that I read it closely. I didn't mean that it might reflect the general mood in the country. I've heard it said that in the good old days Nazi paraphernalia was the standard way of going about if you wanted to show the finger to the older generation (who had fought in it or remember it well). Hard to imagine many of the old geezers are still around, unless they all moved to Yorkshire for some reason.

 

52% of the population enjoyed the 1940s so much they just voted to go back there.  1970s punk generation got old and turned into their moms and dads .

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View Postjabster, on 10 August 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

 

Why was it not justified considering it was still part of Germany’s military machine. Where do you think the line should be drawn in war?

 

Read the link I send. For me the line is drawn were bombs are to destroy militairy infrastructure or when bombs are aimed at civilians just to make terror. Dresden is more the last than first. 







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