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jabster #121 Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:58 PM

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View Postduijm, on 10 August 2018 - 04:49 PM, said:

 

Read the link I send. For me the line is drawn were bombs are to destroy militairy infrastructure or when bombs are aimed at civilians just to make terror. Dresden is more the last than first. 

 

More the last than the first is somewhat vauge don’t you think?



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View Postduijm, on 10 August 2018 - 03:49 PM, said:

 

I think you are imbarrassing yourself and should read some more. I hardly doubt you have so many books about the war as me.  

 

You also seem to ignore and dismiss the info I gave or can read in books about Germany at the end of the war (from English or Us writers).

Very sad that your bias look at things is troubling your view.  Very sad that you even say it is not true that billions of Germans were expelled from Rumania to Prussia and did not starve or were killed. 

 

Oh well.  Usa also did dot kill native anericans? 

 

I am not saying Nazi were not Evil. Clearly they are big time. But so is Com Russia. 

 

Discussion was that Nazi symbols are nit used because of warcrimes.  My point was why are symbols of other countries who are guilty of warcrimes not banned in games.  

 

Everything you have said has been wrong including - very probably - my having read fewer books on WWII than you.  I've been reading them since I was 13 years old.  That was 1976. 

 

There were not billions of Germans in existence.  Do you know what a billion is?

 

I have read "Savage Continent" and I know all about the horrors that faced the German civilians who were expelled westwards.  What does that have to do with how evil the nazis were?  It seems you think that because Germans suffered that makes the mass murders of the nazi regime acceptable.

 

I know what you're trying to say and you're not getting away with it.  The nazis were the worst and you are an apologist for them.  Most of the grossest crimes they committed were crimes against humanity, not war crimes, since it was their own civilian population that murdered, as well as the civilian population of conquered territories.  So you aren't even close in your terms of reference.   Not to say war crimes weren't also their modus operandi, but that's not the reason modern Germany banned nazi symbols; it was the Holocaust.



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At this point, it might be good to remind everyone that while the war maybe a touchy subject it is over and former enemies have been able to join in remembering the victims of the war. One good example of such cooperation is the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church in Berlin.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Wilhelm_Memorial_Church



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View Postduijm, on 10 August 2018 - 04:49 PM, said:

 

Read the link I send. For me the line is drawn were bombs are to destroy militairy infrastructure or when bombs are aimed at civilians just to make terror. Dresden is more the last than first. 

 

Dresden was like any other city in nazi Germany. It was a centre of war production and a strategically important transportation hub.  To say otherwise is a lie.

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Hedgehog1963 #125 Posted 10 August 2018 - 06:02 PM

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View PostBrowarszky, on 10 August 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

At this point, it might be good to remind everyone that while the war maybe a touchy subject it is over and former enemies have been able to join in remembering the victims of the war. One good example of such cooperation is the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church in Berlin.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Wilhelm_Memorial_Church

 

Yes, let's remember just that church and not St Clements Danes, which is the remembrance Church for those who gave their lives while serving in the RAF. 

 

55,000 aircrew were lost by Bomber Command in WWII

 

https://www.raf.mod....t-danes-church/

 

 



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View PostHedgehog1963, on 10 August 2018 - 05:02 PM, said:

 

Yes, let's remember just that church and not St Clements Danes, which is the remembrance Church for those who gave their lives while serving in the RAF. 

 

55,000 aircrew were lost by Bomber Command in WWII

 

https://www.raf.mod....t-danes-church/

 

 

 

Wow.. you missed the entire point of my post, didn't you? :(

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View Postduijm, on 10 August 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

 

I am not simplifying anything.  The other guy is. War is no black and white.  Nazi are terrible....but Stalin was too....and Allies did fight for a good cause but commited warcrimes too.  Ingnorance is seeing only one side of a conflict. 

 

Ignorance is banging on about Dresden and not mentioning any of these

 

 

City tons Raids
London 18,291 71
Liverpool/
Merseyside
1,957 8
Birmingham 1,852 8
Glasgow/
Clydeside
1,329 5
Plymouth 1,228 8
Bristol 919 6
Exeter 75 19
Coventry 818 2
Portsmouth 687 3
Southampton 647 4
Hull 593 3
Manchester 578 3
Belfast 440 2
Sheffield 355 2
Newcastle 155 1
Nottingham 137 1
Cardiff 115

1

 

 



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View PostBrowarszky, on 10 August 2018 - 05:05 PM, said:

 

Wow.. you missed the entire point of my post, didn't you? :(

 

Not at all.

 



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View PostBrowarszky, on 10 August 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

At this point, it might be good to remind everyone that while the war maybe a touchy subject it is over and former enemies have been able to join in remembering the victims of the war. One good example of such cooperation is the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church in Berlin.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Wilhelm_Memorial_Church

 

Well quite, it really can’t be our generations choice of who to forgive or not.



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View PostHedgehog1963, on 10 August 2018 - 05:08 PM, said:

 

Ignorance is banging on about Dresden and not mentioning any of these

 

 

City tons Raids
London 18,291 71
Liverpool/
Merseyside
1,957 8
Birmingham 1,852 8
Glasgow/
Clydeside
1,329 5
Plymouth 1,228 8
Bristol 919 6
Exeter 75 19
Coventry 818 2
Portsmouth 687 3
Southampton 647 4
Hull 593 3
Manchester 578 3
Belfast 440 2
Sheffield 355 2
Newcastle 155 1
Nottingham 137 1
Cardiff 115

1

 

 

 

Whataboutism, such a strong argument.



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View Postpathed91, on 10 August 2018 - 04:11 PM, said:

 

 

 

 

So, could you please enlighten us with what measurement the nazi regime is without a doubt more evil then stalinist russia? Or is the nazis most evil just because they are nazis?

 

I think the plain fact that they built facilities where people could be murdered in on an industrial scale because of their race would be that.  No gulag ever had rail head supplied gas chambers working around the clock for months on end.  I'll also mention in passing the nazis who made lampshades from human skin because they liked the the tattoos of their victims.



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View PostBrowarszky, on 10 August 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:

At this point, it might be good to remind everyone that while the war maybe a touchy subject it is over and former enemies have been able to join in remembering the victims of the war. One good example of such cooperation is the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church in Berlin.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Wilhelm_Memorial_Church

You can't but stand in front of those buildings in awe, hoping that the terrors that turned a once beautiful proof of human craftsmanship into something like that will never return. 

There are lots of new monuments in every major city, but nothing can help imagining what might have happened in those years than an almost entirely destroyed building...



arthurwellsley #133 Posted 10 August 2018 - 06:28 PM

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View Postjabster, on 10 August 2018 - 04:24 PM, said:

 

In my younger days I used to go to wargaming shows and there always seem to the contingent who’d turn up dressed as the SS or Gestapo. What’s that all about?  

 

Possibly that the SS and Gestapo uniforms were just better cut, and sartorially the colours worked (alot of black)?

 

Probably because Hugo Boss designed many of the Nazi and SS uniforms. He was an early Nazi supporter. He was sentenced at Nuremburg after the war. He was fined and stripped of his directorship of the eponymous company (which was taken over by his sons). In 2011 Hugo Boss (the company) issued an apology for using forced labour during the war. After I learnt he was a war criminal I could never bring myself to buy anything with that name on it.



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View Postjabster, on 10 August 2018 - 04:58 PM, said:

 

More the last than the first is somewhat vauge don’t you think?

 

Well lets draw the line at 25.001 civiluan casualties fir 1000 m rails then if you want. Please stop making nothing out of something.

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View Postduijm, on 10 August 2018 - 05:45 PM, said:

 

Well lets draw the line at 25.001 civiluan casualties fir 1000 m rails then if you want. Please stop making nothing out of something.

 

Well let’s not. Do you think it was justified yes or no?

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View PostHedgehog1963, on 10 August 2018 - 05:08 PM, said:

 

Ignorance is banging on about Dresden and not mentioning any of these

 

 

City tons Raids
London 18,291 71
Liverpool/
Merseyside
1,957 8
Birmingham 1,852 8
Glasgow/
Clydeside
1,329 5
Plymouth 1,228 8
Bristol 919 6
Exeter 75 19
Coventry 818 2
Portsmouth 687 3
Southampton 647 4
Hull 593 3
Manchester 578 3
Belfast 440 2
Sheffield 355 2
Newcastle 155 1
Nottingham 137 1
Cardiff 115

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Because that was not the point. We allready know nazi's commited war crimes. So get past that. 

 

This about not being so blind to see that also the Allies commited warcrimes. Where are you from anyway?England?  

 

Well I am from the Netherlands and we also commited warcrimes. In Indonesia after the war to enslave those people again.  Loving your country does not mean you have to be blind.



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View Postjabster, on 10 August 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

 

Well let’s not. Do you think it was justified yes or no?

 

No not justified. Russians were rushing to Berlin and German army was broken. Cost were far to high. 

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Everything becomes justified if you side with the elites and their reasoning. Side with the people who actually bore most of the suffering on either side and what you see changes along with your perspective.

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View Postduijm, on 10 August 2018 - 05:56 PM, said:

 

No not justified. Russians were rushing to Berlin and German army was broken. Cost were far to high. 

 

Cost was far to high for who exactly?

 

Do you think less, the same or more British people died as a result of Dresden.


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View Postduijm, on 10 August 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

 

Because that was not the point. We allready know nazi's commited war crimes. So get past that. 

 

This about not being so blind to see that also the Allies commited warcrimes. Where are you from anyway?England?  

 

Well I am from the Netherlands and we also commited warcrimes. In Indonesia after the war to enslave those people again.  Loving your country does not mean you have to be blind.

 

You've done nothing but lie, exaggerate or deflect  from the get-go. Trying to make out that the allies bombing  Germany makes the allies as bad as what the nazi's did is just plain wrong.  The allies were just trying to end a war you claim ended in 1944.

 

Yes I live in England.  Might explain why I know the difference between a million and a billion.


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