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chillsnotskills #1 Posted 10 August 2018 - 08:48 AM

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Just bought the vk 45.02B and i love it, good armor, good gun, aced it in my ninth battle and as far as i can see the grind will be good. 

Anybody has Pz VII? I hear it has some stupid frontal weakspots?

How do you like it, how do you play it? Any tips for the future? Is it a good match for other tier heavies? Is it even worth it or is vk 45.02b better tier for tier?

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_____Yarpen_____ #2 Posted 10 August 2018 - 11:03 AM

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Piece of advice, stay on vk45b - it is fun, it is strong, it has a good gun.  Pz7 has stupid weakspots that will ruin your day...

doriansky1 #3 Posted 10 August 2018 - 11:06 AM

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Pros: good gun handling, good shell velocity. Trollish lower plate for bad players who shoot at it.

Cons: disgusting weakspot on the gun mantlet (~200mm). Two other weakspots that are pennable when you try to sidescrape.

 

It's not better tier for tier compared with VK 45B, but it's playable. Would be really good without the gun mantlet weakspot.



doriansky1 #4 Posted 10 August 2018 - 11:09 AM

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View Postdoriansky1, on 10 August 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

Pros: good gun handling, good shell velocity. Trollish lower plate for bad players who shoot at it.

Cons: disgusting weakspot on the gun mantlet (~200mm). Two other weakspots that are pennable when you try to sidescrape.

 

It's not better tier for tier compared with VK 45B, but it's playable. Would be really good without the gun mantlet weakspot.

 

I forgot to add : the engine deck is 40mm, so any 120mm gun will overmatch it.

 



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I have 3,7k avrage damage on this tank and 60% winratio. Playing 100% solo . But it have very bad RNG on damage "560" alpha is 100% fail translate,cus most of shells are doing 490-530damage.

 

It was good tank till we got 705A and Type5 (Derp gun). Don't even think to research or buy this tank, cus it's not worth anymore to play aginst those mention tanks.



chillsnotskills #6 Posted 10 August 2018 - 12:33 PM

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View Postdoriansky1, on 10 August 2018 - 10:06 AM, said:

Pros: good gun handling, good shell velocity. Trollish lower plate for bad players who shoot at it.

Cons: disgusting weakspot on the gun mantlet (~200mm). Two other weakspots that are pennable when you try to sidescrape.

 

It's not better tier for tier compared with VK 45B, but it's playable. Would be really good without the gun mantlet weakspot.

 

Is it really that easy to pen the turret? Do people know about that weakspot?

Vk45b handles tier 10 without much problem thats for sure


Edited by chillsnotskills, 10 August 2018 - 12:33 PM.


Bennie182 #7 Posted 10 August 2018 - 12:33 PM

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I've been thinking about going for VII as well, though I hate VK B now. It used to be good, but since the goldspam has become worse and worse I don't like to play it much anymore. Turret front is too weak and loads of people just 'outplay' me by pressing "2", because the armor is just flat

 

Not sure how many players know about those weakspots on VII that Doriansky1 mentioned, so I'm still in doubt if I should go for it or not. I've played it on the test server some time ago, but that's not a reliable place to check if it's good or not for a tank like that.

Mobility is good on VII as well as the soft gun stats. Hull down it can be amazing. I always use this site for advice for setup and how to play a tank. Also for the best ways to research modules, but for this tank that is not the case. http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:G134_PzKpfw_VII

It can at least provide you some advice on how to play it ;)


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doriansky1 #8 Posted 10 August 2018 - 12:58 PM

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View Postchillsnotskills, on 10 August 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

Is it really that easy to pen the turret? Do people know about that weakspot?

Vk45b handles tier 10 without much problem thats for sure

 

Hitting that gun mantlet is more or less a matter of luck, but it's super annoying to be penned frontally by a Mutz for example(who most probably autoiaimed on the move :D ). I usually hit the Pz. VII in the side triangles since the lower plate can go close to 300mm effective (when angled). 

Don't get me wrong, the tank is not bad; I did HT-15 for Obj.260 with it. Go for it, if you think this is bad i'm not sure what you'll think about E-100. 



doriansky1 #9 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:00 PM

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LOL, I just saw you already played E-100. In my opinion Pz. VII is better.

chillsnotskills #10 Posted 10 August 2018 - 02:14 PM

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View Postdoriansky1, on 10 August 2018 - 12:00 PM, said:

LOL, I just saw you already played E-100. In my opinion Pz. VII is better.

 

What do you like better on pz 7? E100 has good armor if you sidescrape but people mostly shoot gold at you, gun has good alpha, but so does pz 7, 560 is not bad at all. Mutz can pen you through the mantlet ?? :D jesus, talking about a superheavy...

 

View PostBennie182, on 10 August 2018 - 11:33 AM, said:

I've been thinking about going for VII as well, though I hate VK B now. It used to be good, but since the goldspam has become worse and worse I don't like to play it much anymore. Turret front is too weak and loads of people just 'outplay' me by pressing "2", because the armor is just flat

 

Not sure how many players know about those weakspots on VII that Doriansky1 mentioned, so I'm still in doubt if I should go for it or not. I've played it on the test server some time ago, but that's not a reliable place to check if it's good or not for a tank like that.

Mobility is good on VII as well as the soft gun stats. Hull down it can be amazing. I always use this site for advice for setup and how to play a tank. Also for the best ways to research modules, but for this tank that is not the case. http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:G134_PzKpfw_VII

It can at least provide you some advice on how to play it ;)

 

Well i bought vk couple of days ago and when angled it can bounce a lot. You cant expect it to bounce gold, but sometimes it does if you angle it good. It has a very precise gun with good alpha also. I was thinking either that or obj 257, and im happy with my choice. Ill probably buy 257 next because russia


 

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View Postchillsnotskills, on 10 August 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

 

Is it really that easy to pen the turret? Do people know about that weakspot?

Vk45b handles tier 10 without much problem thats for sure

I dont know that weakspot... but as I can only recall fighting/seeing that tank about a handful of games on my 40k career its hardly causing me a problem.

 

If u hardly see a tank you know its a turd... think Leo 1, 113 and 121



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It's a very decent tank, it has quite some workshops, but since it's a rare tank not everyone knows them. The turret weak spot is annoying but since it's small and with a bit of wiggling it isn't a big issue. I like the tank. Tier by tier I would say the vkb is a little stronger, but that might also be the better MM. I am training a new crew for my vkb ATM.

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View Postchillsnotskills, on 10 August 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

Well i bought vk couple of days ago and when angled it can bounce a lot. You cant expect it to bounce gold, but sometimes it does if you angle it good. It has a very precise gun with good alpha also. I was thinking either that or obj 257, and im happy with my choice. Ill probably buy 257 next because russia

I just hope they hit me on the hull, as their shots are likely to bounce. the turret front is only 265mm straight on, so high tier td's can pen you there. When people switch to gold, it's not that hard to get through anymore. The turret sides are a lot better then on VK4502A, Tiger II and E75.



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View Postdoriansky1, on 10 August 2018 - 11:58 AM, said:

 

Hitting that gun mantlet is more or less a matter of luck, but it's super annoying to be penned frontally by a Mutz for example(who most probably autoiaimed on the move :D ). I usually hit the Pz. VII in the side triangles since the lower plate can go close to 300mm effective (when angled). 

Don't get me wrong, the tank is not bad; I did HT-15 for Obj.260 with it. Go for it, if you think this is bad i'm not sure what you'll think about E-100. 

 

the tank is crap compared to the CW variant.

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View Posttankqull, on 10 August 2018 - 04:49 PM, said:

the tank is crap compared to the CW variant.

lol I read this week a comment from a guy who owns VK 7201 and he says it's *edited* XD


Edited by G_Bg_82, 10 August 2018 - 05:37 PM.
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You cant do sidescrap in Pz 7 so its pointless tank. Maus is way better sidescraper. And CW version lost mantlet weakspot and got buff to weakspot on hull. 

Gun is good but DPM is joke. 

VS player who dont know this tank, you will rekt them. If someone load gold, you have no armor vs them. And mantlet weakspot is just STUPID ! 

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View PostBennie182, on 10 August 2018 - 03:59 PM, said:

lol I read this week a comment from a guy who owns VK 7201 and he says it's *edited* XD

 

that tells you all about the pz 7 you´ll need to know ;)

FatigueGalaxy #18 Posted 10 August 2018 - 06:30 PM

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If you want to do HT missions - get it. It has stupid weakspots but they are relatively hard to hit (especially if you are wiggling) but it's much stronger against premium ammo than VK.B.

If you don't care about missions - keep VK.B. It's more fun and missions are still doable.



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View Postchillsnotskills, on 10 August 2018 - 08:48 AM, said:

Just bought the vk 45.02B and i love it, good armor, good gun, aced it in my ninth battle and as far as i can see the grind will be good. 

Anybody has Pz VII? I hear it has some stupid frontal weakspots?

How do you like it, how do you play it? Any tips for the future? Is it a good match for other tier heavies? Is it even worth it or is vk 45.02b better tier for tier?

Thanks

 

you will get butchered in your VK 45.02B when you meet competent players. they all shoot the cupola, the pen zone is too large, since shots bouncing off the roof armor just in front of it will also pen.

 

I got the PzKpfw VII and I would say it's good in randoms and average in all-tier 10 battles.

 

You can't sidescrape in it, but you can play it like a T28 HTC by exposing your angled hull and hide the weakspots, but "good players" (aka wallet warriors) will pen frontally with HEAT, and another weakspot is the gun mantle, which is a bit stupid.

Still, the tank has 258 pen with AP which makes that type of ammo usable (unlike the 246 pen of the rest of german heavies !!).



XxKuzkina_MatxX #20 Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:34 PM

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In some lines you are better off with the tier 9 than the tier 10, the Vk B is one of those.

 

Enjoy the tier 9 till they figure out there is a "hole in the boat"! :)






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