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DEADSNAKE2 #1 Posted 21 August 2018 - 02:49 PM

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So we got a new batch of personal missions coming up, with the Minivan(Excalibur), the Chimera, and the final reward tank, the UFO(Object 279E).

That is good to hear we'll have more rewards to push for. But something caught my eyes regarding the 279E, and my eyes didn't like what they saw...sort of.

 

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Notice anything unusual? 

Yep, no lower plate. Which means? No need to go hull down. No lower weak point to shoot to save your credits. It will probably be tracked from start to finish due to the 4 track suspension tho.

Talking about the supsension:

 

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The suspension is not built on the hull, instead, it is placed below it. Which means tracking and damaging this vehicle at the same time when penning the front or rear drive wheel seem to be not possible(Remember 257? This is him now. feel old yet?).

 

While the tank features the strong russian frontal turret armor we all see on higher tiers, the lack of lower plate seems to be a concern to me. It will encourage it's users to be more agressive,

poke out more often and deal damage, while the chance to receive damage in return should me minimal.

These are my thoughts on the vehicle. I'd like to hear yours too!

 

-What are your thoughts/concerns about the upcoming Object 279E?

-What playstyle will it encourage the most? And how would YOU use it?

 

Thanks for reading.
 


Edited by DEADSNAKE2, 21 August 2018 - 03:18 PM.


Simeon85 #2 Posted 21 August 2018 - 03:16 PM

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The only saving graces of this tank I see are that 

 

1. The upper plate is not that strong around 250-260 effective.

 

2. It's effectively a curved peak nose, so if it peaks side on the upper plate becomes an easy pen even to lower tiers.

 

3. The side armour is generally quite weak and not the auto-bounce rubbish seen on the 257 and somewhat on the 907.

 

However this tank is going to be problematic to lower tiers because if it just sits in front of you, then you need more than 250 pen to reliably pen it, unless you hit the 2 rather small cupolas.

 

And I agree not being able to track and do damage is stupid, it's part of the skill of the game IMO where good players avoid peaking with their drive wheel, and bad p[layers should get punished for poking with their drive wheel, whilst is also skews the dynamic between the heavy and fast meds/lights that circle it where they have to decide between doing damage and keeping the tank tracked which is silly.

 

It is also something not only present on the 257 but also the overbuffed Maus line and makes these tanks too forgiving and annoying to fight IMO. 



suvicze #3 Posted 21 August 2018 - 03:22 PM

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Doesnt look that problematic. Sure it doesnt have lower plate and you wont be able to track and dmg it at the same time but hull armor is pretty much obj907 with a bit more armor and turret is the same russian like any any other heavy has.

I was originally more worried about the side armor but it looks like it will be easily pennable so it is pretty much better T110e5 from the front while similarly weak from sides and the back.

Only thing I would do at this point before actually experiencing the tank would be lowering the dpm which seems a bit too high.



WhosNachos #4 Posted 21 August 2018 - 03:45 PM

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U have to do a lot of missions by nations befor u see this Tank it is late 2019 ^^

vixu #5 Posted 21 August 2018 - 03:53 PM

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I'd be more worried about driving one. Just imagine - anything that goes below the waste line will de-track you.

Trostani #6 Posted 21 August 2018 - 04:35 PM

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And double chance for detrack by arty :trollface:. Anyway, second campaign is much harder than first one so I don't expect to see a lot of them.

demon_tank #7 Posted 21 August 2018 - 04:36 PM

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Its relatively slow which kinda kills the hopes of it being OP.

Cannes76 #8 Posted 21 August 2018 - 04:50 PM

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View PostWhosNachos, on 21 August 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

U have to do a lot of missions by nations befor u see this Tank it is late 2019 ^^

 

I predict you will see the first ones 2 months after release.

Balc0ra #9 Posted 21 August 2018 - 05:40 PM

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It still needs to go hull down. As that upper plate at most angles is not gonna bounce everything. If he does angle his hull towards you, that upper side hull is not even 220mm effective. Even less if he comes around a corner showing his side. And if you are on a ridgeline looking down on him. That front plate is 220mm effective more or less everywhere. Head on it's still 250 ish effective on flat ground. So tier 8 might struggle with it with 220 ish AP. His cupola is 220mm, but that's not easy to hit unless you are close up ofc.  But if he is on the ridgeline going over it. There is a 20mm plate between the tracks you can HE. 

 

But let's wait until it hit's live before we panic. It's a special tank. So it's not protected by the same rules as a normal premium. It can still be nerfed if needed. 

 

View PostDEADSNAKE2, on 21 August 2018 - 02:49 PM, said:

 

The suspension is not built on the hull, instead, it is placed below it. Which means tracking and damaging this vehicle at the same time when penning the front or rear drive wheel seem to be not possible(Remember 257? This is him now. feel old yet?).

 

True. But unlike the 257, it's side armor above it is not at a 70-degree angle or magical by the looks of it to auto bounce most hits there. And it did not take long before ppl found out how to bully the 257 even with that advantage. As when was the last time you did see a 257 whine topic? I suspect a Type 5 hitting the side hull will severely damage it and track it at the same time. 

 

 



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Weak side, however, it's angled so it should allow for higher sidescraping angles.

 

View PostCannes76, on 21 August 2018 - 04:50 PM, said:

I predict you will see the first ones 2 months after release.

 

Challenge accepted. :playing:



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It can get penned through the front? It can get penned through the side? It doesn't go 50? Are we sure we are looking at the correct numbers?

ares354 #12 Posted 21 August 2018 - 09:29 PM

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 It still needs to go hull down. As that upper plate at most angles is not gonna bounce everything. If he does angle his hull towards you, that upper side hull is not even 220mm effective. Even less if he comes around a corner showing his side. And if you are on a ridgeline looking down on him. That front plate is 220mm effective more or less everywhere. Head on it's still 250 ish effective on flat ground. So tier 8 might struggle with it with 220 ish AP. His cupola is 220mm, but that's not easy to hit unless you are close up ofc.  But if he is on the ridgeline going over it. There is a 20mm plate between the tracks you can HE.

 
tanks.gg have armor model, and 220 effective on upper plate ? If you look dawn on him, then yes. 

246 mm pen have under 40 % to pen this thing from front on flat ground. 

Typical tank to crapon low tier and force you to use premium ammo to pen...

crapidea to add that stupid tank to game. 

 


Edited by ares354, 21 August 2018 - 09:30 PM.


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Stupid tank to add to the game.

Unfun to play against as the armour requires gold spam to reliably pen, unfun to play with since the armour relies on troll angles and people not pressing 2.

Why do we need another Russian heavy reward tank?



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While unusual I don't think It is going to be OP. 

Edited by 24doom24, 21 August 2018 - 10:52 PM.


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View Postvixu, on 21 August 2018 - 03:53 PM, said:

I'd be more worried about driving one. Just imagine - anything that goes below the waste line will de-track you.

I already gave up getting it :P only thing I care about is getting Chimera.



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View Postares354, on 21 August 2018 - 09:29 PM, said: 

tanks.gg have armor model, and 220 effective on upper plate ? If you look dawn on him, then yes. 

 

Read what he actually said -

 

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 If he does angle his hull towards you, that upper side hull is not even 220mm effective

 

Which he is correct on, if the tank angles then the frontal hull becomes less effective.

 

View PostFluffyRedFox, on 21 August 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

Why do we need another Russian heavy reward tank?

 

One of my main issues, we already have the 907, T-22 and Obj. 260 as Russian reward tanks, plus there are 12 regular Russian tier 10s, so why couldn't they have dug something up for another nation? 

 

For example IIRC the Kranvagn was tested with a 150mm rather than a 120mm autoloader, that would be a good reward tank. 



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View PostSimeon85, on 22 August 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

 

For example IIRC the Kranvagn was tested with a 150mm rather than a 120mm autoloader, that would be a good reward tank. 

 

145 / 150 mm Kranvagn (latter is a smoothbore, but nothing stops them from making it a rifled gun, while former is another historical option and also rifled) should have been the tier X Swedish HT in the first place, with less armor and better mobility. Think M4A1 on steroids at tier 10, would have been very unique and way more fun to play than the current abomination.

 

The Swedish HT line is very unpopular in the first place and sacrificing gigantic amount of everything for depression and turret armor is largely pointless now that we have so many tanks that are great hulldown but can do so much other stuff (cough Sconq cough), so I wouldn't mind if they were reworked completely into stuff like I mentioned. I guess you could give the EMIL II a single shot 145mm and Kranvagn a single shot 150 mm among with the current autoloaders as well. 

 

I wouldn't mind it as a reward vehicle either but I would still much rather use it as rework for Kranvagn or at least as an alternate gun option. Agreed though, there are so many Russian rewards that they really should add something else. Guess Kranvagn with 320 alpha 105 mm gun (more pen than EMIL I ofc) and more shells, like 5 or even 6 could also work as a reward vehicle.



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View Postleggasiini, on 22 August 2018 - 09:11 AM, said:

 

145 / 150 mm Kranvagn (latter is a smoothbore, but nothing stops them from making it a rifled gun, while former is another historical option and also rifled) should have been the tier X Swedish HT in the first place, with less armor and better mobility. Think M4A1 on steroids at tier 10, would have been very unique and way more fun to play than the current abomination.

 

The Swedish HT line is very unpopular in the first place and sacrificing gigantic amount of everything for depression and turret armor is largely pointless now that we have so many tanks that are great hulldown but can do so much other stuff (cough Sconq cough), so I wouldn't mind if they were reworked completely into stuff like I mentioned. I guess you could give the EMIL II a single shot 145mm and Kranvagn a single shot 150 mm among with the current autoloaders as well. 

 

I wouldn't mind it as a reward vehicle either but I would still much rather use it as rework for Kranvagn or at least as an alternate gun option. Agreed though, there are so many Russian rewards that they really should add something else. Guess Kranvagn with 320 alpha 105 mm gun (more pen than EMIL I ofc) and more shells, like 5 or even 6 could also work as a reward vehicle.

 

Agree the Swedish heavies are crap and need some attention.

 

145mm would be a good option for a reward, could have a unique 700 alpha or something as well. Just think there have to be more options out there for tier 10 rewards that aren't Russian.

 

JagdChieftain also springs to mind as well, that would be very unique, could be a better armoured but slower STRV, with siege mode like the UDES as IIRC it could elvate and depress the gun but not move it right or left. 



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 Read what he actually said -

 

There you have it : "Head on it's still 250 ish effective on flat ground."

 

It more then that. And tier X pen have problem to pen it with normal ammo. I dont talk about TD, but still. Tank with 246 mm pen is force to pres 2 key to pen it 


Edited by ares354, 22 August 2018 - 02:43 PM.


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Looks like this thing might have issues with high calibre HE shells. :-)




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