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SF_Tank #1 Posted 22 August 2018 - 07:24 AM

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Hi!

 

KanonenJagdpanzer 105 was one of the six thanks that QuickyBaby played live yesterday in gamescom. I assume that it’s going to be released soon?

 

There has been rumours how the releasing is going to handle:

1.Players who own the 90mm version will keep it and receive the new vehicle for free.

2.The old KanonenJagdpanzer 90 is replaced to the KanonenJagdpanzer 105

3.They just put the KanonenJagdpanzer 105 on sale in the premium shop

 

What do you think? Which of those options is going to happen?

 

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tank276 #2 Posted 22 August 2018 - 07:55 AM

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It will probably come  as a seperate vehicle, I mean they r dense enough to keep i.e. Patriot and t26e5 as seperate tanks instead of different skins.

I ve played the 90 mm in a collector friend's account, it is pretty underwhelming.

With the 105 version things could change, guess it will be like a German version of the amx cda 105 , which I enjoy in general.



SF_Tank #3 Posted 22 August 2018 - 08:00 AM

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Hi!

 

https://www.tracks-u...panzer-105-leak

 

This(kanonenjagdpanzer) is fine for me if this is going to happen.

 

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I hear it will replace the 90mm version. But then it’s just a crappy UDES

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 22 August 2018 - 08:12 AM, said:

But then it’s just a crappy UDES

 

Looks better to me, doesn't have the annoying siege mode for a start and the gun handling on the 105 is actually quite close to the UDES in siege and it has a 15/15 arc as well which is decent for a turretless TD. Plus it's pretty much as fast (due to way better ground resistances) and is more agile as well.

 

Only real issue I can see is the DPM is very low for such a paper TD in the current meta, nor is 390 alpha that scary these days on tier 8 when meds have it and several heavies have 440. 


Edited by Simeon85, 22 August 2018 - 08:24 AM.


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Sits kinda between the UDES and the Charioteer playstyle wise. Worst-in-class DPM and no armor are probably gonna kill it though.

Azgabast #7 Posted 22 August 2018 - 09:58 AM

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I guess people that have the normal KanonenJp will get a 50% discount, as it happened with the T34 black edition, but who knows.

I'm waiting for those buffs to pmm vehicles.

 

Have fun!

 

edit: I've looked on its stats on tanks.gg and if it really only has 5 rounds per minute I don't think it will do too well. The only thing that t8 tds should have at least is dpm. When I saw this one I thought of the chinese one with more alpha and rate of fire and armor, albeit worse gun handling stats. Oh well, let's see!


Edited by Azgabast, 22 August 2018 - 10:01 AM.


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Does it really matter as long as WG will spend ages on working on MM and their beloved 3:5:7 template ??

 

I'll hold of buying anything as well as spending more on game until they actually start implementing changes / trying out stuff so I can see if I like the way the game is going.

 

As it is now I no longer find it worth it too keep support WG with $$$ in up-keep of servers or pay-checks ...even if I like this game A LOT :D

 

tl:dr doesn't matter as #walletclosed until changes occur!



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I don't think it will replace the original. Since when have they changed a gun type on a premium?! It will be a separate one imo. If they are smart they would give the original preferential match making. This would give people reason to buy both in the future = more money and keep the original owners relatively happy.

 

 

The new version looks awesome if all stats remain. It's very fast, low down, with great gun depression and a mean gun. I have the skorpion and S1 but still would get the 105 if stats remain the same 

 

But if it is a straight up buff which I highly doubt, then why have they not touched the AMX CDC :D



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View PostSimeon85, on 22 August 2018 - 07:21 AM, said:

 

Looks better to me, doesn't have the annoying siege mode for a start and the gun handling on the 105 is actually quite close to the UDES in siege and it has a 15/15 arc as well which is decent for a turretless TD. Plus it's pretty much as fast (due to way better ground resistances) and is more agile as well.

 

Only real issue I can see is the DPM is very low for such a paper TD in the current meta, nor is 390 alpha that scary these days on tier 8 when meds have it and several heavies have 440. 

Indeed. 390 alpha TDS need fixing with heavies getting more alpha. Combined with there already more hp and armour.... turrets...



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I have 2 marked my 90mm kanj panzer and played 445 games. It was underwhelming when it was launched and much like the cdc became unusable, although I did dust it down for Frontline.

The introduction of the Italian autoloaders and sale promotion of skorps and lorrs hasnt helped it either. I find it slow reversing which makes it difficult to get shots off safely. Its also extremely arty prone.

The 90mm also has low pen for its role, it will need a very good gun imo to make it competitive as the vehicle is incredibly fragile.

 

Its absolutely useless in t10 games as well, beyond bad. If ever a tank needed pref mm its this one.

 

Cdc and kanj should really just be given pref mm for starters and that would make them far more viable.


Edited by Rati_Festa, 22 August 2018 - 10:25 AM.


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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 22 August 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

Indeed. 390 alpha TDS need fixing with heavies getting more alpha. Combined with there already more hp and armour.... turrets...

 

Competitive DPM would be fine, they should be comfortably able to put two shots in to a heavies 1. 

 

2k DPM for a tier 8 turretless TD is bad, the Skorp G has a turret, 490 alpha and still has 2.4k DPM. 

 

This thing, the AMX, the UDES and the S1, all have 390 alpha guns with high pen APCR but like 2 - 2.3k DPM, whilst even the Charioteer has over 2.4k (and the ability to further buff it's DPM with HESH), you'd think these tanks would more be in the 2.5 - 2.7k DPM range. 



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View PostSimeon85, on 22 August 2018 - 09:31 AM, said:

 

Competitive DPM would be fine, they should be comfortably able to put two shots in to a heavies 1. 

 

2k DPM for a tier 8 turretless TD is bad, the Skorp G has a turret, 490 alpha and still has 2.4k DPM. 

 

This thing, the AMX, the UDES and the S1, all have 390 alpha guns with high pen APCR but like 2 - 2.3k DPM, whilst even the Charioteer has over 2.4k (and the ability to further buff it's DPM with HESH), you'd think these tanks would more be in the 2.5 - 2.7k DPM range. 

I have been complaining about Skorpg gun stats for a long time. It’s miles better than any 390 alpha gun while keeping the stupid DPM increase. Also a turret.... which is twice unfair for tanks like S1 and UDES



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View PostSF_Tank, on 22 August 2018 - 07:24 AM, said:

Hi!

 

KanonenJagdpanzer 105 was one of the six thanks that QuickyBaby played live yesterday in gamescom. I assume that it’s going to be released soon?

 

Not really a 100% indication of it as such. Remember he played the unskinned Skorpion G at Gamescon to show it off. It was not released with the skin until a year later. 

 

View Posttank276, on 22 August 2018 - 07:55 AM, said:

It will probably come  as a seperate vehicle, I mean they r dense enough to keep i.e. Patriot and t26e5 as seperate tanks instead of different skins.

I ve played the 90 mm in a collector friend's account, it is pretty underwhelming.

 

I'm sure the skinned version will be a different tank indeed. But the 105 was planned to replace the 90mm from the start. So it would be odd or cause for a riot if the 105 gun alone is not coming to the current version. 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 22 August 2018 - 10:48 AM.


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View PostRati_Festa, on 22 August 2018 - 10:21 AM, said:

I have 2 marked my 90mm kanj panzer and played 445 games. It was underwhelming when it was launched and much like the cdc became unusable, although I did dust it down for Frontline.

The introduction of the Italian autoloaders and sale promotion of skorps and lorrs hasnt helped it either. I find it slow reversing which makes it difficult to get shots off safely. Its also extremely arty prone.

The 90mm also has low pen for its role, it will need a very good gun imo to make it competitive as the vehicle is incredibly fragile.

 

Its absolutely useless in t10 games as well, beyond bad. If ever a tank needed pref mm its this one.

 

Cdc and kanj should really just be given pref mm for starters and that would make them far more viable.

Wow 445 games and only two marks on a tank no one plays. You must suck



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 22 August 2018 - 10:41 AM, said:

I have been complaining about Skorpg gun stats for a long time. It’s miles better than any 390 alpha gun while keeping the stupid DPM increase. Also a turret.... which is twice unfair for tanks like S1 and UDES

 

It's less a problem with the Skorp and more an issue with those tanks, Skorp is competitive, those other tanks are not. 

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View PostSimeon85, on 22 August 2018 - 11:31 AM, said:

This thing, the AMX, the UDES and the S1, all have 390 alpha guns with high pen APCR but like 2 - 2.3k DPM, whilst even the Charioteer has over 2.4k (and the ability to further buff it's DPM with HESH), you'd think these tanks would more be in the 2.5 - 2.7k DPM range. 

 

WG is probably afraid of creating another E25, that was already obvious with the 90mm Kanonenjagdpanzer. So those TDs have to pay with DPM for getting great guns (regarding accuracy, aimtime and penetration), high speed and great camo values.

 

Charioteer also has a good gun, but it's quite a bit worse regarding accuracy and aimtime, and it also has way less camo and inferior mobility.

 

One thing to note with this tanks is that it is extremely vulnerable to HE, much more than even the UDES. T10 Arty will one-shot it regulary.



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View PostGeno1isme, on 22 August 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

 

WG is probably afraid of creating another E25, that was already obvious with the 90mm Kanonenjagdpanzer. So those TDs have to pay with DPM for getting great guns (regarding accuracy, aimtime and penetration), high speed and great camo values.

 

Charioteer also has a good gun, but it's quite a bit worse regarding accuracy and aimtime, and it also has way less camo and inferior mobility.

 

One thing to note with this tanks is that it is extremely vulnerable to HE, much more than even the UDES. T10 Arty will one-shot it regulary.

 

Yeh but WG consistently over rates penetration and accuracy as a balancing factor, it's something clearly happening with the Leo 1. Still somewhat plagues tanks like the Cent 7/1, Panther, Panther 2 etc. and these TDs. They seem to ignore the presence of premium ammo, sure the AMX and Kanonen 105 have 260 plus pen which is great for tier 8, but the Skorpion presses 2 and it has over 300 APCR and none of the other drawbacks. 

 

Plus it should be remembered that for tanks like this, or like a Leo more often than not they are doing their shooting at 300-500m because they have to to survive, and at these ranges having 0.31 accuracy is not great, your aim circle is still going to be bigger than the tank, whilst the tanks with 0.4 accuracy but the survivability to get in much close end up hitting more shots. 

 

 

 



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View PostGeno1isme, on 22 August 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

 

WG is probably afraid of creating another E25, that was already obvious with the 90mm Kanonenjagdpanzer. So those TDs have to pay with DPM for getting great guns (regarding accuracy, aimtime and penetration), high speed and great camo values.

 

 

This is probably true, what annoys me about the Kanjpanz is it looks like the big brother of the E25 but can't play like it at all. WG were very sneaky with how it was presented to the player base... oo look at this T8 version of the e25. The dpm and on it is awful in comparison with it's little brother and the lack of pref mm that the e25 seals the deal on it being one of my worst purchases on WOT.



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View PostMetalsniper, on 22 August 2018 - 10:51 AM, said:

Wow 445 games and only two marks on a tank no one plays. You must suck

 

And yet you have zero after almost 500 games on a tank hardly anyone plays either. So there is that.  I have only one MOE on my E25 that I have 1800 games on. As I played most before the MOE's came. And now it drops more then it goes up when I only play it once a week if that. Even on a 3K damage game it's not a dead given it will go up once it updates vs the past 14 days. 

 

So if he plays it rarely, but others do play theirs often. The 5% he has to beat for the 3rd, can still be higher then on other tier 8's. As the 5% in terms of population the past 14 days he has to beat for the 3rd. Might only be 10 really good players. Vs a sea of tomatoes on a more commonly played tier 8.

 

Same with Ace badges and rare tanks. Take the SU-76I, a tank with less then 20 unique accounts played last week. The 1% I have to beat to get Ace on it. Might only be one player due to the low usage of it, vs 10 000 games on a more commonly used tier III that week. But if he carried harder then me. Don't mean I will get that ace. As one week ace might be 600 xp, the next week 1450 is not enough. So think before you type. 

 

 

 

 


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