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Darkangel085 #1 Posted 22 August 2018 - 06:36 PM

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I am wondering what wg are thinking adding more and more tanks into game that are better then older tanks. German tank line a joke. They have low hp, rubbish armour and guns that used to be good now are not even penning there own tier tanks. This has been an ongoing issue I noticed for a while, German tanks used to be great snipers, but since they changed how shots land and new tanks introduced this has made German tanks useless. 90% of shots I fire at range wont even hit the target and will miss and if I do hit it will fail to pen cuz there pen is 5 years out of date. This is something wg needs to address as they are some of the most iconic tanks (tigers,panthers) and they are being put in matches that they cant even pen tanks in.

Grimmx #2 Posted 22 August 2018 - 06:57 PM

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Lots of lines are outdated, unfortunately balancing department are busy making “fantastic” vehicles that unbalance the game instead of keeping old lines up to date .

Or they don’t care.
Or they are busy doing cocaine.
Or whatever

tank276 #3 Posted 22 August 2018 - 07:00 PM

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In an alternate history line , ze Germans would have won the war, WG would be a german company and soviet tech tree lines would be trash.

But it is true what you say, a switch to a soviet line will do the trick, less punished for mistakes.



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View PostDarkangel085, on 22 August 2018 - 06:36 PM, said:

I am wondering what wg are thinking adding more and more tanks into game that are better then older tanks. German tank line a joke. They have low hp, rubbish armour and guns that used to be good now are not even penning there own tier tanks. This has been an ongoing issue I noticed for a while, German tanks used to be great snipers, but since they changed how shots land and new tanks introduced this has made German tanks useless. 90% of shots I fire at range wont even hit the target and will miss and if I do hit it will fail to pen cuz there pen is 5 years out of date. This is something wg needs to address as they are some of the most iconic tanks (tigers,panthers) and they are being put in matches that they cant even pen tanks in.

 

yeah - just one line is ok, from Pz 38t to Maus.

Kommandant_Mia #5 Posted 23 August 2018 - 02:15 AM

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In general I would say no.  A few good ones, a few OK ones and many bad ones.  It's a real shame,  as so many people love German tanks. I would like to see buffs and even more tanks added.  

kaneloon #6 Posted 23 August 2018 - 05:15 AM

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Only soviet tanks get good reworks, other old nations stays in their introduction state and are now meh.

Simeon85 #7 Posted 23 August 2018 - 10:33 AM

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There are good German tanks, average German tanks and bad German tanks, no different to most other nations in game.

 

These threads are driven by bias more often than not with people wanting their favourite nation to be best, coupled with learn to play issues. 

 

Take the OP for example, the only tier 9 and 10 tanks he have are German, all his most played tanks are German. Aside from premiums he basically has not played or ground out any other nations tech tree tanks so is ignorant of how other tanks play from other nations. 

 

Plus he's pretty awful as well, rocking 42-47% win rates in most of his high tiers tanks, and despite claiming how bad German tanks are he doesn't seem to do very well in other nations tanks, for example he has a 42% WR in the IS3-A, a 49% win rate in the Defender, a 30% win rate in the Liberte (30% from over 100 games FFS), a 40% win rate in the T-34-3.

 

So is it really German tanks or is the OP just bad? 



_Davidge_ #8 Posted 23 August 2018 - 11:01 AM

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German tanks are balanced for this game to be playable.

They are crippled or other tanks buffed plus arbitrary tier engineering for other tanks to be able to be played on equal terms against them one on one

compared to real warfare where win ratio of German tanks in WW2 was between 4:1 to 3:1 in favor of Germans in every front troughout the war ,east an west and north Africa.


Edited by w_k_, 23 August 2018 - 11:12 AM.


fallenkezef #9 Posted 23 August 2018 - 11:03 AM

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Germans still get more love than the Brits

tumppi776 #10 Posted 23 August 2018 - 11:03 AM

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View Postkaneloon, on 23 August 2018 - 04:15 AM, said:

Only soviet tanks get good reworks, other old nations stays in their introduction state and are now meh.

 

Or good tanks buffed even further obj907, obj 140

fallenkezef #11 Posted 23 August 2018 - 11:06 AM

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If you want to win, play Russian or the latest fotm premium. It's that simple

 

If you want to pick a nation inferior to the soviet-master race you have to accept you'll be sub-par.



Dava_117 #12 Posted 23 August 2018 - 11:17 AM

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As every tech tree, german tech tree also have tanks with different powerlevel.

Some are simply bad, like the poor Leopard1.

Some need just a bit of dust off, like E100.

Others are fine and balanced, like the Tiger1.

And lastly there are OP tanks like the VK100.01P.

From my experience with getman tanks, the tech tree is one of the hardest to play because very tecnical. 

Two of the tanks I enjoy most are the Tigers (both 1 and 2). Tiger1 is really good, not a brawler, but the view range, pen and DPM advantage are really strong on tier 7. As I said, a fine and balanced tank.

Tiger2 is a bit different. Trade DPM for a barely workable armour, but the basical gamrplay is the same. Just the worst environment make sure it drop to UP power level (some buff would be nice, maybe engine power or a bit of DPM).

I started playing those tanks after 16-17k battles and I can feel I've been lucky. Without the game mechanics knwoledge and experience I got in the previous years, I would have been useless in those tanks.

 

But, for some well known reasons, german tech tree also attract a lot of new player that simply don't have the understanding to perform well in those machines.

 

As a conclusion: some german tanks require buffs, but mostly are fine, just require higher skill level to perform well in them.



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View Postfallenkezef, on 23 August 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

If you want to win, play Russian or the latest fotm premium. It's that simple

 

If you want to pick a nation inferior to the soviet-master race you have to accept you'll be sub-par.

So true.Winner takes it all ,despite the fact Russian command until the end of WW 2 considerred frontal fight of Russian tanks against German to have good chance of victory only after acheiving 5 to one local numerical superiority.


Edited by w_k_, 23 August 2018 - 11:25 AM.


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I was yesterday platooning with some friends, both picked a tier 7 French tank, so I had to follow. I remember saying: "I don't know which one I take, since I don't have any good tier 7 French tank". But shortly after that I noticed, there are no good tier 7 French tanks :teethhappy:  Besides 13-57.

 

Some German tanks really do need some love, like Tiger II, Panther II, rhm pzw or Leo1. However there are also plenty of good German tanks, for instance at tier 9 (e75, e50, leo pta, wt auf pz iv). But it is not a lie that Russian tanks are stronger overall.



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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 23 August 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

I was yesterday platooning with some friends, both picked a tier 7 French tank, so I had to follow. I remember saying: "I don't know which one I take, since I don't have any good tier 7 French tank". But shortly after that I noticed, there are no good tier 7 French tanks :teethhappy:  Besides 13-57.

 

Some German tanks really do need some love, like Tiger II, Panther II, rhm pzw or Leo1. However there are also plenty of good German tanks, for instance at tier 9 (e75, e50, leo pta, wt auf pz iv). But it is not a lie that Russian tanks are stronger overall.

 

errr... AMX 13 75 is a real killer

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