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Pleashca #1 Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:31 PM

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tank276 #2 Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:34 PM

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ThugzBunny #3 Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:36 PM

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erm.....what?

Pleashca #4 Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:37 PM

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View PostThugzBunny, on 23 August 2018 - 07:36 PM, said:

erm.....what?

 

Basically all other auto-loaders are vastly superior to the BC - in random battles.

 



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Could've just wrote that instead.

Pleashca #6 Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:45 PM

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View PostThugzBunny, on 23 August 2018 - 07:37 PM, said:

Could've just wrote that instead.

 

You would've complained I'm just whining and that I don't have any arguments.

Balc0ra #7 Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:47 PM

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View PostPleashca, on 23 August 2018 - 07:37 PM, said:

 

Basically all other auto-loaders are vastly superior to the BC - in random battles.

 

 

Vs what? The one other clip gun med? I say one. As the Italian one if used as a clip gun has ELC even 90 DPM. Can't really compare it to the HT's clip guns or even the turretless TD's with clip guns. 

But vs the Skoda? Sure it has worse dpm and time between shots, so the Skoda can get in and out of a corner faster. But you have burst damage and 390 alpha vs it, and way better mobility to get away when reloading from that corner. You trade some aspects for others. 

 

And slower then a Obj 140? He bleeds more when turning sure. But with 50% more power to weight and 10km/h faster top speed? I doubt it. Unless you have no driver skills that is and drive on soft terrain all the time. 



Pleashca #8 Posted 23 August 2018 - 08:55 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 23 August 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

 

Vs what? The one other clip gun med? I say one. As the Italian one if used as a clip gun has ELC even 90 DPM. Can't really compare it to the HT's clip guns or even the turretless TD's with clip guns. 

But vs the Skoda? Sure it has worse dpm and time between shots, so the Skoda can get in and out of a corner faster. But you have burst damage and 390 alpha vs it, and way better mobility to get away when reloading from that corner. You trade some aspects for others. 

 

And slower then a Obj 140? He bleeds more when turning sure. But with 50% more power to weight and 10km/h faster top speed? I doubt it. Unless you have no driver skills that is and drive on soft terrain all the time. 

 

You either have trouble reading, or understanding. Or you are just too eager to express yourself.

You stand no chance against Progetto in possibly all imaginable scenarios. The troll armor on Progetto makes you miss even when you're aiming. The traverse speed of BC is bigger than that of Type 5.

And what I meant with the 140 (which was just an example tank selected to illustrate how the Obj 140's rate of fire is comparable to yours) is that you won't be able to perform your role as ambush/flanker because the stats of the gun are so bad even at close range that you are guaranteed to miss or bounce a shot, situation in which you will insta-exit the battle, [edited]-slapped.

Edited by Pleashca, 23 August 2018 - 08:56 PM.


DeadLecter #9 Posted 23 August 2018 - 09:24 PM

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I agree BC is not as good as most people think. 

It has a gun with nice alpha and great clip potential dmg but that's it.

Bad gun handling, bad traverse, long reload and honestly besides the clip potential it has no advantage over any Tier 10 medium. Progetto 65 is wayyyyyy better than BC25t.

It's one of those tanks that not everyone can make the most out of and I bet even can do whatever they can in BC do better in any other T10 med



catatpillar #10 Posted 23 August 2018 - 09:30 PM

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I don't own B-C 25t but from what i see in battles lately the tank glorious days are long gone. Usually B-C players are first blood, trying to scout. :( Or if they have the opportunity to shoot, they do it so slow, becuz the long intra-clip time. Almost like obj.140 reload.

Knight_Zao #11 Posted 23 August 2018 - 09:44 PM

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BC is one of the best tanks in WoT but it has a pretty high skill cap, map awareness is critical. Personally i play it as a scout/assassin and have a pretty ok time with it.

Mimos_A #12 Posted 23 August 2018 - 09:52 PM

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It's pretty good. It does suffer a bit from all the giant guns, HE cannons and powercreep in armour and tiny weakspots, so it could possibly do with a tiny gun handling or pen buff, but in general it's still a beast.

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I am not pro but I got obsessed with the Bat Chat.

 

Maybe it has issues doing early damage because of its lack of armour and slow intra clip reload.

 

But it's got decent stealth, it's fast and you can't really argue with a 260 pen APCR clip with a potential damage of 1900...

 

The tank expects a lot from its pilot. Maybe a T57 would suit OP better? I find it easier to play than BC so there's no shame in it.


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Pleashca #14 Posted 23 August 2018 - 10:41 PM

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View PostNegativvv, on 23 August 2018 - 09:55 PM, said:

I am not pro but I got obsessed with the Bat Chat.

 

Maybe it has issues doing early damage because of its lack of armour and slow intra clip reload.

 

But it's got decent stealth, it's fast and you can't really argue with a 260 pen APCR clip with a potential damage of 1900...

 

The tank expects a lot from its pilot. Maybe a T57 would suit OP better? I find it easier to play than BC so there's no shame in it.

 

I got me a 430U to offset the shame of this BC. I'm very fond of it, but playing it is just pain. It's simply not balanced anymore. Again, I'm talking random battles because that's all I play.

 

And no! In fact, you can argue with that clip potential. The gun handling has become so bad, and the effective armor on most tanks so ridiculous that the potential dmg of that clip is ~1200. After which you're f-ed for 40 seconds. 40 seconds!!!

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View PostMimos_A, on 23 August 2018 - 09:52 PM, said:

It's pretty good. It does suffer a bit from all the giant guns, HE cannons and powercreep in armour and tiny weakspots, so it could possibly do with a tiny gun handling or pen buff, but in general it's still a beast.

 

Voice of reason! Except that 'beast' part... that my friend... you lost my respect right there.

Edited by Pleashca, 23 August 2018 - 10:42 PM.


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As an owner of the BC 25t, I have played over 1000 battles in this tank and have 2 marks on the gun.

I can relate on the following:

-it has a very bad gun handling, the dispersion values are very bad, especially after firing and the aiming time is very very poor.

-it has a mediocre traverse speed which can make it a bit clumsy trying to do tight turns and circles

In order to fix the disadvantages of the BC, I am running the following equipment: Improved Vertical Stab (absolutely necessary for the BC), Improved vents, Improved Coated Optics, running food, crew skills for the driver (bia, camo, rep, smooth ride, clutch and all terrain) in order to compensate for the main 2 disadvantages of the BC (bad gun handling and traverse).

The result is a BC that still fires bad after an investment of 14.000 bonds, 6 skilled crew, but it would fire way worse without all of these.

The mobility of the BC can be easily fixed with the right driver skills, and food.

Overall, the BC today stands as the best spotter in the game due to it's combat ability, but as a medium, it is falling behind due to the lack of improvements and the ever growing quality of the newly introduced mediums.

 

The only thing that the BC needs, to be honest, is better soft stats for the gun, the dispersion values really need to be lowered, because compared to other auto-loaders and tanks that run at 60 kp/h, the BC is the worst. Lowering the dispersion values will result in a lower aiming time and better accuracy.

In random battles it is not the best tank, but it is fun.

In the clan wars and Advance battles, the BC is irreplaceable.


Edited by Wildcatze, 23 August 2018 - 10:48 PM.


Pleashca #16 Posted 23 August 2018 - 10:48 PM

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View Postcatatpillar, on 23 August 2018 - 09:30 PM, said:

I don't own B-C 25t but from what i see in battles lately the tank glorious days are long gone. Usually B-C players are first blood, trying to scout. :( Or if they have the opportunity to shoot, they do it so slow, becuz the long intra-clip time. Almost like obj.140 reload.

 

Thanks, finally some much awaited confirmation. Don't forget the 2.5ish aim time if not longer. It's takes you approximately 5 seconds to fire effectively at a target. That's basically like 0.5 seconds less than the obj 140. Pathetic.

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View PostPleashca, on 23 August 2018 - 10:41 PM, said:

 

I got me a 430U to offset the shame of this BC. I'm very fond of it, but playing it is just pain. It's simply not balanced anymore. Again, I'm talking random battles because that's all I play.

 

And no! In fact, you can argue with that clip potential. The gun handling has become so bad, and the effective armor on most tanks so ridiculous that the potential dmg of that clip is ~1200. After which you're f-ed for 40 seconds. 40 seconds!!!

 

 

Well yes that's why I'm now grinding out the Object 140. Pancake Rashan with crazy DPM and gun handling can't go wrong surely? :trollface:

 

The gun is derpy*edited* yes, anything beyond x8 zoom for me is essentially a huge RNG gamble whether I'm full zoom or not. I've got Snap Shot, Smooth Ride and BiA but it still seems to make little difference. 

 

I play it as a huge LT, passive at the start into more aggression later on. Although the low ammo amount means it's often not even worth shooting at the longer ranged stuff in case you run out of ammo in long games :unsure:

 

Still, BC's 3 mark average according to the stats I have is 4250 whereas the T57 one is 3680. So that alone speaks of it's potential...


Edited by NickMustaine, 25 August 2018 - 03:09 PM.
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l2p buddy

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It's not as awesome as it used to be, but still usable.

Pleashca #20 Posted 24 August 2018 - 09:01 AM

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View PostBonjiOrongji, on 24 August 2018 - 08:25 AM, said:

l2p buddy

 

 

Spoken like a true bubble boy. 






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