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GANDALF_WOT #1 Posted 24 August 2018 - 12:38 PM

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Player discrimination is description of this game. WoT with this inbalance 3/5/7 MM is forcing players of lower Tier to use/pay GOLD amo to stay in battle. So if you are not riech you can not play. This is discrimination based on material status riech or poor. What WG do not understand is that two type of amo gold and normal is source of general inbalance in game and so source of player frustration. The only reason why players are not using only gold amo is money. If we would have only one amo type at avarage price somewhere between gold and standard price WG will make same if maybe even more money per game and game will be technically very clear in terms of damage and penetration. With this simple change game will be more balanced. All players will have the same chance to win and play based on skill not money.

Tom_Deekanarry #2 Posted 24 August 2018 - 12:46 PM

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What you mean is your skint so it's not fair?


 

It's a game so find a way to build up your silver, everyone else is in the same boat.


 



signal11th #3 Posted 24 August 2018 - 12:46 PM

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How about wg removes all the silly fantasy tanks and then we don't need idiot ammo anymore..

Balc0ra #4 Posted 24 August 2018 - 12:46 PM

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View PostGANDALF_WOT, on 24 August 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

 All players will have the same chance to win and play based on skill not money.

 

If only it was that simple. Without gold ammo, players need to rely on their survival skill and map awareness more than the gun. If you lack that... well. So I would not say same chance as such. 

 

View PostGANDALF_WOT, on 24 August 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

Player discrimination is description of this game. WoT with this inbalance 3/5/7 MM is forcing players of lower Tier to use/pay GOLD amo to stay in battle. So if you are not riech you can not play. 

 

So based on what you said above. I'm confused. Unless you are saying you can't win when top tier vs lower tiers that spam gold. Or are you saying you can't fight 3 top tier targets? As if that's not your job in a +2 game. As there are targets you can pen and fight in each game. If not it means your top tiers either failed at their job, or are sitting back not doing it. Focus on what you can fight, not what you can't fight. If you are 100% useless at the spot you are in vs the targets you fight. Then it's time to relocate. 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 24 August 2018 - 12:53 PM.


Dorander #5 Posted 24 August 2018 - 12:46 PM

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No it isn't. The merits of the conclusion that premium ammo has to be used aside, you can buy premium ammunition with in-game credits, which can be earned through gameplay alone. It has nothing to do with personal wealth, it has to do with personal ability and time investment.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #6 Posted 24 August 2018 - 12:52 PM

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View PostGANDALF_WOT, on 24 August 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

This is discrimination based on material status riech or poor.

 

WG don't discriminate because they have allowed you the privilege of playing for free.

Tom_Deekanarry #7 Posted 24 August 2018 - 12:52 PM

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This is a game not a socialist paradise, if you can't pay your way get a better job or play something else, no one has a right to someone else's labour for free, WoT is here to make money.

Long_Range_Sniper #8 Posted 24 August 2018 - 12:53 PM

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View PostTom_Deekanarry, on 24 August 2018 - 11:52 AM, said:

This is a game not a socialist paradise, if you can't pay your way get a better job or play something else, no one has a right to someone else's labour for free, WoT is here to make money.

 

How's "pay to win" working out for you?

signal11th #9 Posted 24 August 2018 - 12:56 PM

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View PostDorander, on 24 August 2018 - 11:46 AM, said:

No it isn't. The merits of the conclusion that premium ammo has to be used aside, you can buy premium ammunition with in-game credits, which can be earned through gameplay alone. It has nothing to do with personal wealth, it has to do with personal ability and time investment.

 


Incorrect. You buy gold via website you exchange gold into credits you buy prem ammo..  not something I would do but personal wealth can be used to do it.

Captain_Kremen0 #10 Posted 24 August 2018 - 12:57 PM

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OP clearly needs to be made President of The World. That'll sort it.

OreH75 #11 Posted 24 August 2018 - 12:57 PM

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View PostGANDALF_WOT, on 24 August 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

Player discrimination is description of this game. WoT with this inbalance 3/5/7 MM is forcing players of lower Tier to use/pay GOLD amo to stay in battle. So if you are not riech you can not play. This is discrimination based on material status riech or poor. What WG do not understand is that two type of amo gold and normal is source of general inbalance in game and so source of player frustration. The only reason why players are not using only gold amo is money. If we would have only one amo type at avarage price somewhere between gold and standard price WG will make same if maybe even more money per game and game will be technically very clear in terms of damage and penetration. With this simple change game will be more balanced. All players will have the same chance to win and play based on skill not money.

 

*edited* My "friend" is only playing for fun, he has no premium account and has loaded 0-5 "gold" shells per tank, still his winrate is almost 10% higher than yours..so there is no correlation between winrate and amount of "gold" shells fired.

Edited by NickMustaine, 25 August 2018 - 12:32 PM.
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Tom_Deekanarry #12 Posted 24 August 2018 - 01:04 PM

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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 24 August 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

 

How's "pay to win" working out for you?

 

 

 

I buy £8 worth of gold at the start of a month and use that for whatever, so yeah I put some cash into WoT coffers, and I work for my money so what I spend it on is up to me, I can play for free if I want but as far as I am concerned £8 is fine.


 

Pay to win? no, pay to play maybe.



JocMeister #13 Posted 24 August 2018 - 01:04 PM

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45% and desperately trying to find something to blame...I bet you are really unlucky with your teams too? 

Enforcer1975 #14 Posted 24 August 2018 - 01:06 PM

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I don't think OP is discriminated against. He only has one tier 10 tank with a positive winrate and 4 in tier 9. ...i'm not even going to mention tier 8.....

 

Clearly not something money or gold ammo spam can improve. 

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View Postsignal11th, on 24 August 2018 - 12:56 PM, said:

 


Incorrect. You buy gold via website you exchange gold into credits you buy prem ammo..  not something I would do but personal wealth can be used to do it.

 

Thing is...how many actually do that? I only know of one person who used gold to shoot premium ammo, his explanation was he wasn't shooting it a lot anyways if at all. 

signal11th #15 Posted 24 August 2018 - 01:09 PM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 24 August 2018 - 12:06 PM, said:

I don't think OP is discriminated against. He only has one tier 10 tank with a positive winrate and 4 in tier 9. ...i'm not even going to mention tier 8.....

 

Clearly not something money or gold ammo spam can improve. 

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Thing is...how many actually do that? I only know of one person who used gold to shoot premium ammo, his explanation was he wasn't shooting it a lot anyways if at all. 

 

That wasn't about how many can do it, he said personal wealth can't be used to do it. I just proffered it could be thats all.

Rati_Festa #16 Posted 24 August 2018 - 01:09 PM

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They have to monetise the game somehow though and they quite cleverly worked out that everyone is addicted to stats/winning. We have this weird conundrum now where people play to win rather than have fun, so we see it's slightly easier to win if they use prem ammo, it's easier to get prem ammo if you invest in the game with cash.

 

I have invested cash into this game in prem time and prem tanks, I do expect to be "treated" better than non payers to be honest. If that's easier access to gold ammo then so be it... free loaders crying about not having the same privileges in the game is just sad and slightly deluded. What in ever other walk of life do you get treated the same free vs paying?

 

If you want to play but for free... you won't have as much chance of winning, understand that and you will have a lot more fun imo.


Edited by Rati_Festa, 24 August 2018 - 01:11 PM.


Robbie_T #17 Posted 24 August 2018 - 01:10 PM

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View PostGANDALF_WOT, on 24 August 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

Player discrimination is description of this game. WoT with this inbalance 3/5/7 MM is forcing players of lower Tier to use/pay GOLD amo to stay in battle. So if you are not riech you can not play. This is discrimination based on material status riech or poor. What WG do not understand is that two type of amo gold and normal is source of general inbalance in game and so source of player frustration. The only reason why players are not using only gold amo is money. If we would have only one amo type at avarage price somewhere between gold and standard price WG will make same if maybe even more money per game and game will be technically very clear in terms of damage and penetration. With this simple change game will be more balanced. All players will have the same chance to win and play based on skill not money.

 

So only rich people can play WOT....thats a new one.....

You know the premium ammo is sold for credits right not gold........

 



juonimies #18 Posted 24 August 2018 - 01:21 PM

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One cannot expect a game developed in a country where the whole life is based on lie and fraud, would not be anything but lie and fraud.  

Enforcer1975 #19 Posted 24 August 2018 - 01:28 PM

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View Postjuonimies, on 24 August 2018 - 01:21 PM, said:

One cannot expect a game developed in a country where the whole life is based on lie and fraud, would not be anything but lie and fraud.  

 

And you happen to have proof of that? If not it's all false allegation which itself can be considered a crime. 

 

Btw....we had a certain scandal in the Auto industry.....none of the companies involved were eastern European...who was decieving af again? 



Captain_Kremen0 #20 Posted 24 August 2018 - 01:29 PM

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View Postjuonimies, on 24 August 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

One cannot expect a game developed in a country where the whole life is based on lie and fraud, would not be anything but lie and fraud.  

Bit of a sweeping statement, care to elucidate?






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