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lronbeast #1 Posted 27 August 2018 - 07:46 AM

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I just played a map in top tier O-Ho, that ended in a loss. I was first of the team with more that 2000 DMG, didn't use gold ammo either. Still, match result was negative credits. Not so much that it matters really, but is that really the wot thing? If you lose a game you lose credits no matter how well your game went? Or is it a tier VIII -thing?

Edited by lronbeast, 27 August 2018 - 07:49 AM.


Jigabachi #2 Posted 27 August 2018 - 07:50 AM

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The higher the tier, the higher the repair and resupply costs.
So, yes. Starting from tier VIII, you might lose money if you lose a match.

 

btw: The important screen of those match results would be the third one...


Edited by Jigabachi, 27 August 2018 - 07:52 AM.


DarkPacifist #3 Posted 27 August 2018 - 07:51 AM

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It is more like a tier 8 to 10 thing, without a premium account and even with a good amount of damage you can finish the game losing credits in a loss (even in a win) mostly due to the repair costs. You can make some profits in tier 8 or more without a premium account if you've done a lot of damage and assists damage (like tracking and spotting damage)



lronbeast #4 Posted 27 August 2018 - 07:56 AM

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Rats. Well, thx for replying.

 

View PostJigabachi, on 27 August 2018 - 08:50 AM, said:

btw: The important screen of those match results would be the third one...

 

Huh? Isn't all you need on the second pic? 



ypr765prco #5 Posted 27 August 2018 - 08:06 AM

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View Postlronbeast, on 27 August 2018 - 07:56 AM, said:

Rats. Well, thx for replying.

 

 

Huh? Isn't all you need on the second pic? 

 

No we need the detailed report, where we and you can see how much credits you got and lost on that battle.:coin:

lronbeast #6 Posted 27 August 2018 - 08:28 AM

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But it's on the first page. 22 000 something total and ended up in about  negative 2000.

Oh you mean the bit with what cost me what. (I'm slow on the mornings.)


Edited by lronbeast, 27 August 2018 - 08:29 AM.


jeffrey_mk2 #7 Posted 27 August 2018 - 08:30 AM

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The games that I didnt shot at all and died right away + a defeat gives me credits and the games where Ive shot and died + defeat made me lose credits.

Funny Ive just watched my results from an old replay http://wotreplays.eu/site/3643104#details (you cant watch it anymore because its an old version but results are there).

Here I only shot 14 apcr from the 62 shells I shot , 38 hits and 30 pen and still lost 18k credits (that darn arty at the end just bounced my last bullet!! almost 11 kill :izmena:)

Or you either play a prem account with a prem tank and then you will make credits or you use a prem tank that make a lot credits with a few shots otherwise you wont make any credits with a deafeat, but most important is you gotta hit/pen your shots or they're wasted credits.
 


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TungstenHitman #8 Posted 27 August 2018 - 08:40 AM

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No if you do well enough you still make credits even in defeat. 2k dmg is not really amazing though so you'd want to be doing more like 4-5k to make credits with a loss for that tank, assuming you didn't accidentally derp a teammate which obviously comes out of your earnings  

MeetriX #9 Posted 27 August 2018 - 08:49 AM

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Participate bonus for victory is ×1.85 and on a loss ×1.5.

 



Homer_J #10 Posted 27 August 2018 - 08:56 AM

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Win or lose isn't really relevant to credits.  It's about how much you spend on ammo and repairs vs how much damage you do.

 

Spamming a lot of shells which bounce, miss, or do little damage, especially premium shells will give you a big loss.

 

But also the game is designed to make it harder to turn a profit the higher you go, this means free to play players have to become part of the product by keeping mid tiers populated.



DarkPacifist #11 Posted 27 August 2018 - 09:05 AM

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Another thing is that you fired 11 shells on which 8 hit and 5 penned (are you using AP gun?), the 6 shells difference between those fired and those who penned makes you lose some credits.

Moreover, be careful because I am not sure about what comes next, is firing at targets you haven't spotted impact your credit income? (it does with XP but don't know for credits)



PowJay #12 Posted 27 August 2018 - 09:41 AM

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Ninja'd because I forgot I had started this post between battles. See above.

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NUKLEAR_SLUG #13 Posted 27 August 2018 - 10:02 AM

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Tier 8 if you do 'ok' you break even.

Tier 9 if you do 'good' you break even.

Tier 10 if you do 'great' you break even.

 

Profits/losses are made by being either side of those results.

 

 



Jigabachi #14 Posted 27 August 2018 - 10:24 AM

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View Postlronbeast, on 27 August 2018 - 08:28 AM, said:

Oh you mean the bit with what cost me what.

Bingo! You check that screen to see what expenses you can stand on a certain tank.



Balc0ra #15 Posted 27 August 2018 - 11:04 AM

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View Postlronbeast, on 27 August 2018 - 07:56 AM, said:

Huh? Isn't all you need on the second pic? 

 

How much damage you did don't matter. As it's also how you did that damage that counts "50% credits loss on assist damage", and what you used to get that damage if you will. As in credit spending. Ammo and consumables. Tho that 2nd screen do tell me that you did fire 11 shots. Only 5 of those did damage. And that's 6 shots that did nothing. As in loss of credits. If you want a profit, you need to miss less too. Do you run the 15cm with AP? 

 

But it's also a tier 8 HT. Tier 8 HT's tend to bump their repair up vs mid tiers. And high tier normal HT's is not the way to go if you want to make a profit more often. And yes you got no win bonus, and might have made a small profit on a win there. But you want to break even on a tier 8 HT on a loss, you need to do more then 11 hits and 5 misses for starters. As if you only did fire 5 shots that did damage there, you might have made a small profit even on that loss. 



brisha #16 Posted 27 August 2018 - 11:11 AM

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Winning isn't any better, or at least not that you will notice. The game is very much pay to progress without prem account it's very difficult after T7, even with prem account it's difficult because you need a certain amount of gold spam now so yes it's a huge reason so many people leave the game when they realise that without a monthly sub they won't be getting very far any time soon.

PowJay #17 Posted 27 August 2018 - 12:38 PM

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View Postbrisha, on 27 August 2018 - 10:11 AM, said:

Winning isn't any better, or at least not that you will notice. The game is very much pay to progress without prem account it's very difficult after T7, even with prem account it's difficult because you need a certain amount of gold spam now so yes it's a huge reason so many people leave the game when they realise that without a monthly sub they won't be getting very far any time soon.

 

But if you play a balance of low, mid and high tiers and do reasonably well, there is no reason why you can't play free of charge.

 

I've never purchased a single Premium consumable, but I have just sold over 500 Automatic fire extinguishers for over 5,000,000 credits and I have at least (iirc) another 1,000 Premium consumables in my depot. I purchase all of my regular consumables at half price and try to buy everything I can at a discount such as tanks, equipment, rental camo and crew training (for credits). I currently have over 15,000,000 credits despite recent purchases of tier IX SPG (full price) tier IX TD (20% off), tier VIII TD (20% off) and items of equipment at both full and half price.


Proper management and the patience to wait for discounts counts as much as respectable game play and credit making with lower tier or Premium tanks. I definitely could not survive regular game play at tier VIII, but I can turn a profit in a half-decent win and sometimes even in a loss.



clixor #18 Posted 27 August 2018 - 01:01 PM

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Add to above that completing the (usually) easy events that give equipment helps as well. I regularly save 500 - 600k on optics and vert stabs that way. And you can always sell if you don't need the equipment.

 

For regular gameplay what really is essential is to only fire gold when really needed. And make sure you pen when shooting gold. When grinding tanks i'm also trying to prevent using prem. consumables (especially food, except on lights), i do go full out on tier10 and my favorite tanks but as i only play them occasionaly that won't hurt my bank balance that much.



kaneloon #19 Posted 27 August 2018 - 01:04 PM

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Yep. Totally free and if you stay clear from all gold ammo, food, etc ... and you play decently you can be even in tiers X.

Not make money but not lose either.



lronbeast #20 Posted 30 August 2018 - 09:38 PM

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Thanks for the replies, people. Appreciated.




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