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Kandly #1 Posted 28 August 2018 - 10:51 AM

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Commanders,

 

Please share your feedback regarding the Polish tech tree in Update 1.1 below.

 

Cheers,

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SlyMeerkat #2 Posted 28 August 2018 - 05:17 PM

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Eric_von_Wolfen #3 Posted 28 August 2018 - 07:32 PM

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  So the super OP polak fantasy tanks are here, well then as I promised no more money from me, from here on in I will not pay a single cent more because the amout of [edited]this fantasy brainfart is, is unbeliveable.

 



ToodlePips #4 Posted 29 August 2018 - 10:05 AM

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Rejoice! Grimm's fairy tanks are here! :sceptic:

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View PostEric_von_Wolfen, on 28 August 2018 - 07:32 PM, said:

  So the super OP polak fantasy tanks are here, well then as I promised no more money from me, from here on in I will not pay a single cent more because the amout of [edited]this fantasy brainfart is, is unbeliveable.

 

 

You must be playing a different game, or you might be a bit different.

 



Marppuli #6 Posted 29 August 2018 - 05:13 PM

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Always nice to get more free content into the game, but I must say I am very underwhelmed by the early part of the tech tree. I've made up my way to the tier IV light tank, and haven't had all that great time with any of the tanks. The polish tech tree must have some of the worst stock grinds, with barely any modules carrying over in the low tiers, and the guns are absolutely terrible. For now they're workable since the matchmaker is full of other poorly armored polish tanks, but the stock guns struggle against even them. Who had the great idea of giving a big, sluggish "light" tank a tier II gun, and only 62mm penetration even on its top gun?! The 75 alpha doesn't make up for it and is not unique - just look at the Chinese Stuart, which is superior in every way. Just why did you have to make the low tiers nearly unplayable, just so that you can sell a bit more free XP? Aren't ALL the vehicles supposed to be enjoyable?

TLDR; The Polish line is pretty bad until the tier V tank is fully researched, and it is an unpleasant grind.

 

Polish line overall

+ Great to decent gun depression values all across the line

+ Good alpha damage overall save for a few notches early on

+ Decent armor in mid tiers, great in high tiers

- The line becomes on par with its peers only after researching the top gun for the tier V tank, very sub-par for the most part until that (so bad that even WG advertised us to get free XP to get past the low tiers, hmmmmm...:hiding:)

- The grind until fully researching the tier V medium tank is tedious and most certainly gruesome for less experienced players

- Often lacking in penetration until Tier V top gun

- Very poor radio ranges until tier VIII

- "Light tanks" play like mediums

 

Tier I

+ Higher alpha on the upgraded gun is nice

+ On par with peers

- Hard to land a shot with the upgraded gun

- Nothing outstanding about it

 

Tier II

+ Upgraded gun carries over from tier I

+ Good top gun for tier

+ Step up in gun handling, great gun depression (-12)

+/- Quite tall

- No armor

- Sluggish for a light tank, plays more like a medium tank

 

Tier III

+ Good top gun for tier

+ Great gun depression (-12)

+ Decent mobility for size

- Big for a light tank

- No armor

- Horrible stock gun that even the tier II tank got to skip out on, AP shells can barely penetrate other polish tanks

- Lacking view range for a light tank, no upgrade (310m)

- Poor radio range (350m)

- Negligible upgrades save for gun, upgraded tracks have 5 less traverse than stock

- Sluggish for a light tank, plays more like a medium tank

 

Tier IV

+ Ok depression (-8)

+ Turns fast

+ Boforsa autoloader has potential, loses only ~10mm in penetration to the top gun but way better DPM

- Even bigger now

- Still no armor

- Again the same horrible tier II stock gun, but...

- Poor top gun that is barely workable with even premium rounds when compared to peers, struggles against higher tier tanks

- Lacking view range for a light tank (330m)

- Poor radio range, no upgrade from tier III (350m)

- Sluggish for a light tank, plays more like a medium tank

 

Tanks that I am yet to play, but initial thoughts based on model and stats...

 

Tier V

+ Good top gun, but Swedish get higher alpha 75mm gun at same tier (kinda silly since higher alpha was supposed to be "the thing" of Polish tanks)

+ Good gun depression (-10)

+ Adequate armor for tier V medium, has some trollish ricochet zones

+ Pretty much as mobile as the tier IV light tank, but higher top speed

- Poor radio range (430m)

- Inadequate stock gun with a long grind (track, turret and intermediate gun - which is something a tier IV tank would have, should be tier VI tank's stock gun instead)

- After researching the top gun, only then the tank line actually starts to turn playable

- Tall, large profile

 

To be continued...


Edited by Marppuli, 29 August 2018 - 05:18 PM.


alyster #7 Posted 29 August 2018 - 05:26 PM

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Names of polish tanks :facepalm:

 

 

 

 



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Tier 6 is way wayyyyyyyyy waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to slow. Armor doesn't really work, gun is painfully bad, view range is crap.

It is terrible tank but all that could be acceptable if this tank had proper med mobility...

 

But no.. Funny thing is every few games i need to cheek if i have top engine mounted. Games when outcome is decided before i even make to proper position are happening way to often.

Just buff soft stats already...



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View PostTemid23, on 29 August 2018 - 06:01 PM, said:

Tier 6 is way wayyyyyyyyy waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to slow. Armor doesn't really work, gun is painfully bad, view range is crap.

It is terrible tank but all that could be acceptable if this tank had proper med mobility...

 

But no.. Funny thing is every few games i need to cheek if i have top engine mounted. Games when outcome is decided before i even make to proper position are happening way to often.

Just buff soft stats already...

 

Yep, pretty much this.

 

Congratulations Wargaming, you just made the absolutely EDIT and worst Tier 6 tank in WOT's history. This piece of cr*p 40TP (EDIT) is totally unplayable, specific power same as O-I Exp, accuracy and aimtime on par with KV-2 and armor is about as useful as in TOG 2. Cheers EDIT.


Edited by Kampa1987, 07 September 2018 - 03:25 PM.
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Brodie_ #10 Posted 29 August 2018 - 10:15 PM

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Well unusually, for once I have been quite pleasantly surprised!

After grinding to tier 3 (if that could be called a grind...)
I free xp'ed my way up to the tier 7.

I had enough to unlock the suspension, turret & top gun aswell.
Which I felt would take away some pain...
I had not tried the Polish tanks upon the test server.

I really was not sure what to expect?
It looked ok on paper, but I had seen a comment, comparing it to the French tier 7 heavy, which was something that really concerned me...
The M4/45 was not a pleasant experience...

So yes without the top engine it.
It was very slow.
Have the top engine now. (Bit better, tho not massively)

I'm really quite happy with it in general though!
The gun just feels nice!

After my 1st game with it, with binno's, rammer & vents.
I switched the binno's out for a GLD.
Definitely the right decision!

There is something about the gun, that is not amazing, but it feels right to me.


The armour is usable when you can control an engagement, & I have bounced a surprising amount.
It totally fails in a brawl though.

Turret is not bad but fallible.

In general though I really like the way the tank feels.
Ok, it is no T29!
But it is certainly not the miserable boring slug that I remember the M4/45 to be...
That is with Gigity Buffoon as a 90% Commander, a 100% gunner, & 75% driver & loader.

I'm slightly sad that due to the crew reward mission for getting to the tier 8 tank.
Within a month.
I will have to move on sooner than I think I would have!
Though I think I will hang onto it, till I see how the line go's.

I do not think the tier 8 will be quite so good or rewarding tier for tier, but I may be wrong?

Cheers, nice update!
 

That was my opinion before I had realised what players are having to deal with, with the tier 5 & 6...

I obviously made the right decision going for the tier 7...

Plus off course, the 7TP!

Probably the most important tank to any Pole that knows his history, does not reflect the original at all with regards to the original armour & gun!

Either WG were to lazy to change it from a T26 model, to the 7TP? 

Or it is a deliberate snub... ?

 

 


Edited by Brodie_, 31 August 2018 - 10:43 PM.


nagje #11 Posted 30 August 2018 - 09:17 AM

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No idea who invented this line.....but try to get a new employee, one that plays and understands the game.

 

Stock gun on tier 4, 35 pen. And in the awesome MM that this game has, you run into tier 6 vehicles a lot. 35 pen vs an O-I, KV1s and other tanks (meds as well for example).



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makes me wish i never got any of the polish line, they are pretty much all terrible/bad.. shame had high hopes. wish i could get my xp back :p

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My laptop has a screen size of 1366*768. With this resolution, running tanks on windowed means that i can't see the Italian tech tree and some tier 1 tanks (Polish, Swedish) are beginning to creep off my screen. please fix this.

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The Polish tech tree seems to be designed to require enormous amounts of free XP.   The stock guns on T4 and T5 are just absurd.  And require a ton of grinding/XP to unlock the eventual decent top gun.  

 

That kind of trick make me boycot this tech tree.    Playing this game is supposed to be fun.   Grinding can be somewhat of a struggle, but it should be still reasonable.   This tree simply forces to free-XP the guns, as the stock guns are utterly worthless.  You might as well not have any.    

 

 

Seems that WG is saying that you either spend your money on free-XP to "grind" this line, or spend it on directly buying a premium vehicle.   (The latter might actually make more sense...)

 

Please WG, stop these kind of tricks.  You're annoying your players, and they might simply stop buying anything, or even stop playing the game.   



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If i want to play a fantasy game i play wow. Now that we have a second fake tank tree seems to me wot is becoming more and more like wow but the difference wow is a quality product.

 

I wouldn't grind polak tanks if they paid me to.....



MoebeIwagen #16 Posted 31 August 2018 - 10:46 AM

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The 25TP is bugged with its camo multiplier or the stats are shown off wrong. The comparsion show off that the 25TP gets slightly over 22% possible camo. But as i drove it myself i was able to shoot at ranges below 350m at tanks with at least 400m+ view ranges, without getting spotted. On the other hand i was unable to spot moving 25TP's with ~415m view range at ~280m and below.

It seems like more that the 25TP is around 33%(27% while moving) camo instead of that shown ~22% at maximum. And believe me, even at tier 5 matchup is a one out of 10 players with an exeptional crew, so i should had got spotted more often than like it was.

 

And in addition, that dpm for an tier 5 medium with 135 alpha is a way too much. The 25TP is clearly op and should be nerfed. Who the hell tested that crapand didn't get that the camo factors are totally srewed on the 25TP?



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Why 40TP got the nerf about mobility from 17hp/t to 11hp/t ?

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View PostEric_von_Wolfen, on 28 August 2018 - 06:32 PM, said:

  So the super OP polak fantasy tanks are here, well then as I promised no more money from me, from here on in I will not pay a single cent more because the amout of [edited]this fantasy brainfart is, is unbeliveable.

 

 

Spoke like an %%$$ before even actually playing the tanks (posted on 28th), which suck hard. Feel dumb after the release?

 

Cause polish tanks... suck. Everything about it. And it is 0 fun to "play" them. I actually enjoyed doing my dishes and taking out the trash more today.

 

1. 14 TP's top gun with premium ammo has worse pen than swe/ita/any tier IV tank on standard. SWE/ITA tanks have either higher rof or higher alpha. The 14 tp has no armour and medicore mobilty. It is looooong easy ship target.

2. 25 TP starts with a gun that has 50? pen, which is also inaccurate. Armour is worse than that of even a sherman (its so bad 2/3 artillery shells pen), everyone want to be playing shermans/PzIV's, derping the polish with 1.1 anyway. To be able to even DO anything at tier V, one has to free exp tracks, turret and first gun, or play tourist and enjoy nice trees and pretty flowers on the maps.

3. 40 TP - didnt get there myself, but seen people on streams and YT cry having to play that. And thats im not looking forward to.

4. Tier I-III tanks are nothing special either, and common thing among all tier I-V (as ive seen so far) is extreeme innaccuracies: base, when moving, dispersion. Dont get me even started on the Bofors autocannon. Supposedly a tank-mounted swedish AA gun spreads bullets like a sawn-off hankerchief thrower. The dispersion is so huge, I actually shot MYSELF once with that gun.

 

Conclusion: WG wants us to free exp as far as we can, and NOT like in the case of SWE/ITA tanks, IE giving something awesome at the end. The grinds of SWE/ITA, those were pleasure experiences, even at low tiers, tanks were often much better than the earlier lines/natinalities. FUN to play. I still keep them in garage. In polish tank case, whether You spend free exp, it's do or cry. Cynical WG concept is, that, since its polish 100yr independence anniversary, they would pay for anything with polish flag ontop of it, so they release the crap line, stick a flag ontop, and expect everyone to spend all their gold and free exp on skipping it, and afterwards, MAYBE buff the ridiculous underpowered and basically sh^^t tanks. They are NOT fun to play.

 

So yeah, I agree with him on one point: that is I'm also not giving WG even a @#$ into their @#% before they fix the worst line of tanks.

No premium acc, no prem tenks, no nothing. And that comes from a (former) customer who bought Pz2J... twice... just to see what i get the second time *(extra 1500 gold, dont bother).

Flipped a middle finger to largest WoT EU community so I return the favor.

Was gonna play tanks, but I'll go get wasted at places instead :-).

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View PostKandly, on 28 August 2018 - 09:51 AM, said:

Commanders,

 

Please share your feedback regarding the Polish tech tree in Update 1.1 below.

 

Cheers,

Kandly

 

How about first, getting a grip on your own forum, and managing the hate-speech of the Hanz - Eric_von_Wolfen, SECOND RESPONSE of the thread?

"polak" is a racial slur same as macaroni or Nggr when spoke in that manner instead of "polish".

It is clear that this dude has nothing to say about actual tanks gameplay (HE ACTUALLY POSTED BEFORE TANK RELEASE!) and instead hates polish.



Morgaroth_ #19 Posted 01 September 2018 - 08:23 PM

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The tier 6 is way way too slow and the tier 5 has under 400 shell velocity with the mid gun? what are u guys smoking over there tbh..

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The extra/super/mega/awsome/indestructible/ tier 10 polish heavy is just another *duck* .

 

50:50 chances to pen frontaly , 100% chances to pen sides  (including tier 8) . 

 

 

Have fun :) 







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