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RenamedUser_555746413 #1 Posted 29 August 2018 - 03:57 PM

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lastest Dez Gamez vid has a quote by WG  'we are not introducing new artillery in to the game because everybody hates it and we don't want to make the game more toxic'

 

MORE TOXIC

 

so they know arty makes the game toxic but have no plans to remove it?

 

they did say future changes but given the last changes were massive buffs with better aim time, faster reload and the utterly stupid stun mechanic I assume that means things will get even worse?



jack_timber #2 Posted 29 August 2018 - 04:09 PM

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Everyone, can't be I like arty...

BTW http://forum.worldof...t__6120#topmost



Balc0ra #3 Posted 29 August 2018 - 04:21 PM

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To be fair... removing it is not as simple either. As there as many that likes to play them and has invested time in the lines as there are people that hate them. So removing it and giving a compensation might lose them as much players as keeping it. Or even more then if they added more lines. Who knows.

 

Either way, there is no "easy" fix for this as most thing regardless. As most that say the easy fix is to simply remove it, only see it from one aspect. WG don't. As they have more than one type of player to keep happy and keep playing. 

 

And if arty was gone. A new class would take the hate and cause a similar level of toxicity. Tho on a lesser scale. I've seen it before when Dice did try to remove and fix the snipers on Bad company on one of their updates. As they were hated as much on their forum back in the day as arty is here. The MG medic and support class with mortars took the heat next and created as may rage topics, plus all the rage from the snipers that lost their class at the same time. So after less then a week Dice just tossed in the towel and add said "F it" and added it all back and pulled the update for PS3 before it was added there. 



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View PostRenamedUser_555746413, on 29 August 2018 - 03:57 PM, said:

so they know arty makes the game toxic but have no plans to remove it?

You obviously mean to fix it, because you perfectly know that removing something that established is rather stupid, especially when you also have the option to fix it.



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View PostJigabachi, on 29 August 2018 - 05:25 PM, said:

You obviously mean to fix it, because you perfectly know that removing something that established is rather stupid, especially when you also have the option to fix it.

 

How'd you fix the indirect fire then?

SevernaSnaga #6 Posted 29 August 2018 - 04:27 PM

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They cant take out arty, bcs people spent hours of playing them, they would lose massive part of players.

Dez mentioned all of this, but someone as you can only be focused on first 2 sentences someone says, and completely forget rest.



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View PostSevernaSnaga, on 29 August 2018 - 04:27 PM, said:

They cant take out arty, bcs people spent hours of playing them, they would lose massive part of players.

Dez mentioned all of this, but someone as you can only be focused on first 2 sentences someone says, and completely forget rest.

 

and presumably you did not read my 4th line?
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View PostBalc0ra, on 29 August 2018 - 04:21 PM, said:

To be fair... removing it is not as simple either. As there as many that likes to play them and has invested time in the lines as there are people that hate them. So removing it and giving a compensation might lose them as much players as keeping it. Or even more then if they added more lines. Who knows.

 

Either way, there is no "easy" fix for this as most thing regardless. As most that say the easy fix is to simply remove it, only see it from one aspect. WG don't. As they have more than one type of player to keep happy and keep playing. 

 

And if arty was gone. A new class would take the hate and cause a similar level of toxicity. Tho on a lesser scale. I've seen it before when Dice did try to remove and fix the snipers on Bad company on one of their updates. As they were hated as much on their forum back in the day as arty is here. The MG medic and support class with mortars took the heat next and created as may rage topics, plus all the rage from the snipers that lost their class at the same time. So after less then a week Dice just tossed in the towel and add said "F it" and added it all back and pulled the update for PS3 before it was added there. 

 

perhaps, but given how many players they are losing if the other threads are to be believed then perhaps there is a correlation

 

or perhaps that make WG even more worried about losing players, guess it can work either way



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View Postjack_timber, on 29 August 2018 - 03:09 PM, said:

Everyone, can't be I like arty...

BTW http://forum.worldof...t__6120#topmost

 

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Edited by G_Bg_82, 31 August 2018 - 04:48 PM.
edited due to insults


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View Postxx984, on 29 August 2018 - 09:17 PM, said:

 

*edited*

 

actually watching sir foch this afternoon and he quoted WG as saying something similar, and its on the record he said

SevernaSnaga #10 Posted 29 August 2018 - 10:04 PM

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View PostRenamedUser_555746413, on 29 August 2018 - 09:00 PM, said:

 

and presumably you did not read my 4th line?
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perhaps, but given how many players they are losing if the other threads are to be believed then perhaps there is a correlation

 

or perhaps that make WG even more worried about losing players, guess it can work either way

 

Your 4th line said nothing about the fact that people spend time/money on arty, you said about future changes, so you showed yet again you dont pay atention 

 

 

 


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Cry more kiddie, all the more reason to dump HE on your head

PervyPastryPuffer #12 Posted 29 August 2018 - 11:24 PM

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View PostRenamedUser_555746413, on 29 August 2018 - 04:57 PM, said:

lastest Dez Gamez vid has a quote by WG  'we are not introducing new artillery in to the game because everybody hates it and we don't want to make the game more toxic'

 

MORE TOXIC

 

so they know arty makes the game toxic but have no plans to remove it?

 

they did say future changes but given the last changes were massive buffs with better aim time, faster reload and the utterly stupid stun mechanic I assume that means things will get even worse?

 

You must've missed this part which very logically explains why they probably will never remove arty. Shame on your ignorance.

 



SevernaSnaga #13 Posted 30 August 2018 - 12:11 AM

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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 29 August 2018 - 11:24 PM, said:

 

You must've missed this part which very logically explains why they probably will never remove arty. Shame on your ignorance.

 

 

Exactly, + respect

NUKLEAR_SLUG #14 Posted 30 August 2018 - 02:29 AM

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View PostRenamedUser_555746413, on 29 August 2018 - 03:57 PM, said:

 

so they know arty makes the game toxic but have no plans to remove it?

 

 

Whiny players are toxic, WG should we initiate plans to remove them.



Hiisi #15 Posted 30 August 2018 - 05:24 AM

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After rework arty is way better than it used to.

Currently biggest problem is that there is 3 arties really ofte in a game. That is bad, basically 3 spg:s shooting 12 tanks. Its like 30 arty shots fired at 12 tanks. So 2,5 shots for each thats a lot and its bad. Also arty xwm focusing etc. Also there is a chance that all 3 arties shoot hou when you are spotted and thats the worst thing about arties. You cant be active if there is 3 arties.

If arty is reduced to 1 in every game. Its only 10 shots fired to 14 tanks 0,7 shots for each, thats 3,5 times less. And only one arty shooting you maxiumium. You can count the shots, counter its position and you know what kind of gun arc he has.

So my conclusion
3 arties way to much
2 arties still a too much
1 arty is quite tolerable.

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Also arty needs to be more support role than its currenly is.

Less damage, no he pen and bigger splash.

Currently arties are focusing way too much in single light tanks than a tank blobs.

Arties should be preventing blobbing not prevent active gameplay. Currenly arties are really bad for german scouts for example. They can easily pen you for 1000 damage and they spash you 500 damage easily.

so if you do only 400 (lower alfa) splash damage and you dont penetrate its way less rewarding to shoot single scout. Also arty should miss sometimes at least.

In other hand if there is currenly 2 heavis close by you do 250 and 200 damage to each. So 450 total. But if splash would be bigger there might be 3 heavies in area and you would do 200, 200 and 100 damage to them. 500 total, but less damage in overall to single tank. And in this case arty would prevent blobbing. Also you would be rather stupid to stay in the biggest blob in the map it would be your choice.

Arty is there to stay. Question is what kind of arty and how many. 1 arty per game and bigger splash, less alfa and no he pen would be great.

General_McMuschi #17 Posted 30 August 2018 - 06:09 AM

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Arty doesn't make game toxic, players who constantly complain about arty make this game toxic. 

 

Anyway, I expected this to be a topic about Dez and tanks, not another arty whiner thread.


Edited by General_McMuschi, 30 August 2018 - 06:10 AM.


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View PostRenamedUser_555746413, on 29 August 2018 - 03:57 PM, said:

lastest Dez Gamez vid has a quote by WG  'we are not introducing new artillery in to the game because everybody hates it and we don't want to make the game more toxic'

 

MORE TOXIC

 

so they know arty makes the game toxic but have no plans to remove it?

 

they did say future changes but given the last changes were massive buffs with better aim time, faster reload and the utterly stupid stun mechanic I assume that means things will get even worse?

 

You misunderstood, crybaby.

Arty haters make the game toxic, not artilerry class itself. They should be removed (you included).



gunslingerXXX #19 Posted 30 August 2018 - 06:43 AM

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Arty should play PvE only, and don't tell them they are clicking actual bots.

Everybody wins, simple



Nebucadneza #20 Posted 30 August 2018 - 06:53 AM

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erm... arty doesnt make the game toxic

players do

 

but i get the point, arty is cancer and im toxic cause i say that






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