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ferdrecon #1 Posted 31 August 2018 - 11:14 AM

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Played a few matches now and have come up against these tanks. Just now in my IS6 and I could not pen the lower plate not with AP or APCR

I was lower and square on and they just bounced. What's going on in game says 120mm at front and just bouncing off.



Nethraniel #2 Posted 31 August 2018 - 11:18 AM

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Simeon85 #3 Posted 31 August 2018 - 11:20 AM

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It's angled, so it'll have more effective armour than 120mms.

 

An IS-6 can't pen the lower plate of E75s, ST-1s etc. even with premium ammo, because the premium ammo is only 217mm pen. 



Balc0ra #4 Posted 31 August 2018 - 11:22 AM

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View Postferdrecon, on 31 August 2018 - 11:14 AM, said:

What's going on in game says 120mm at front and just bouncing off.

 

Slight difference between actual and effective armor. That and your IS-6 even with gold can go as low as 162 pen on a low roll. 

 

Edit: Tank.gg seems to be down. But iirc the lower plate was in the 200 area in terms of effective armor at most angles. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 31 August 2018 - 11:23 AM.


FluffyRedFox #5 Posted 31 August 2018 - 11:29 AM

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23k games and doesn't know about the effects of armour angling...

The lower plate is around 200mm effective for AP. With APCR, this'll be slightly more so its likely to be around a 50/50 chance of penning flat on with IS-6 APCR.



ferdrecon #6 Posted 31 August 2018 - 11:34 AM

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http://wotreplays.eu/site/4519580#arctic_region-ferdrecon-is-6

 

Here Dose this work?



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View PostSimeon85, on 31 August 2018 - 11:20 AM, said:

It's angled, so it'll have more effective armour than 120mms.

 

An IS-6 can't pen the lower plate of E75s, ST-1s etc. even with premium ammo, because the premium ammo is only 217mm pen. 

 

To be fair, got penned quite a lot in the ST-I lower plate by D-25T APCR. Even when sligtly angled. Sometimes doesn't look like it's 160mm thick. Not that it's a problem cause weackspot are needed.

Dr_Oolen #8 Posted 31 August 2018 - 12:45 PM

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ST-I LP unangled is +-180, LP of this polish thing unangled is +- 200, the polish has a bit better angle i think, so it will start having more effective sooner aswell, but still id say 220-230 pen should pen the polish tonk most of the time under most angles, at worse angles the sides and other parts will already be easy pen.

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What can an IS-6 pen ? :trollface:

ferdrecon #10 Posted 31 August 2018 - 02:04 PM

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At that distance 175 AP 217 APCR

This is not the fist time I come up to a 50TP T9 and its not the IS6. Its happened about 5 times so far in other tanks and just could not Pen lower plate.



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View Post_Sensation_, on 31 August 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

What can an IS-6 pen ? :trollface:

 

Tier 6s.

That she never meets :P



Balc0ra #12 Posted 31 August 2018 - 06:05 PM

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View Postferdrecon, on 31 August 2018 - 11:14 AM, said:

What's going on in game says 120mm at front and just bouncing off.

 

So tank.gg is working again now. And the lower plate is 180mm at a 35-degree angle. So about 210 effective armor. The drivers hatch is 175mm thick at 40 degrees. So about 230mm effective. Upper plate is 120mm. But unless you are taller then the gun, it's at a 70 degree angle. So auto bounce. 

 

The max armor stat in game is either the strongest part for turretless TD's, as hull includes the superstructure. But for meds and HT's it's usually the upper plate only on the hull stats. Not the lower plate or other parts of it. Be they stronger or weaker vs it. 



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So another Tier 9 tank that some Tier 8 tanks can not pen from the front Cheers WG. Another nail in your coffin no wonder the player base is falling.

Balc0ra #14 Posted 31 August 2018 - 08:53 PM

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View Postferdrecon, on 31 August 2018 - 08:47 PM, said:

So another Tier 9 tank that some Tier 8 tanks can not pen from the front Cheers WG. Another nail in your coffin no wonder the player base is falling.

 

You can pen it. You just need to aim at a different spot... vs the lower plate. Close range the cupolas works. And if he is coming at you at an angle. Or out from a corner etc. The side plates of the upper hull or the side of the driver's hatch works then. 

 

Then again, I would not play the IS-6 atm until the pref MM buff for it comes. As it's on super test atm, but still it's stats are subject to change vs those. Even if the pen buff is "meh". Mobility and aim time buffs etc will help it. But most play it on the medium lane now vs the HT lane. No point going there if you can't pen anything is it? 



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TP50 is tier 8 not tier 9.

PervyPastryPuffer #16 Posted 31 August 2018 - 09:16 PM

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View Postferdrecon, on 31 August 2018 - 12:14 PM, said:

Played a few matches now and have come up against these tanks. Just now in my IS6 and I could not pen the lower plate not with AP or APCR

I was lower and square on and they just bounced. What's going on in game says 120mm at front and just bouncing off.

 

Facepalming so hard. :facepalm:

 

Don't trust the in-game armor stats fully. If you check the armor model on the tier 9 50TP, the upper plate is 120mm thick and very well angled, but the lower plate which you were shooting at, is 180mm thick and poorly angled. Still it's over 200mm effective armor.

 

You stood no chance against it.

 

Here, go check out its armor model and see just how effective it is against your IS-6: https://tanks.gg/tank/50tp/model?vm=live&cs=is-6



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Just watched the replay... the second hit against the LFP had maybe a chance of 50-55% to penetrate... so, not neccessarily good odds.

ferdrecon #18 Posted 31 August 2018 - 09:59 PM

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View Postcragarion, on 31 August 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

TP50 is tier 8 not tier 9.

 

Check the Tech tree M8

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View Post_Sensation_, on 31 August 2018 - 01:50 PM, said:

What can an IS-6 pen ? :trollface:

 

A KV-5.

 

What can a KV-5 pen?

 

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

 


Edited by mystikro, 31 August 2018 - 10:18 PM.


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View Postcragarion, on 31 August 2018 - 10:06 PM, said:

TP50 is tier 8 not tier 9.

 

50TP Prototyp is the tier 8 prem. Regular 50TP is a tier 9 heavy. 53TP is the standard tier 8 heavy.

 

View Postmystikro, on 31 August 2018 - 11:17 PM, said:

What can a KV-5 pen?

 

It might be able to penetrate a fly but don't quote me on that. :hiding:






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