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Huggehr #1 Posted 31 August 2018 - 07:15 PM

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I lazily googled 40tp and "engine power" and couldn't find anybody posting about it, sorry in case I was too lazy. However: WHAT THE ACTUAL FÄÄÄÄÄÄCK WG? 40TP and 45TP are is so sluggish that it seems they completely overnerfed the tanks. What is the thought process here? Is it "They have big guns so don't make them too good?" I get that tanks at mid-tier can't be the best tanks in the game, but a tank this slow simply overdoes it in my opinion. Does anybody actually enjoy this gameplay?

 

Have I missed something?

 

Edit: I got rid of the 45tp because focus here is 40tp. It truly stands out as being underengined. 


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Dava_117 #2 Posted 31 August 2018 - 07:22 PM

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You missed probably the fact that it weight as an HT and have the same frontal armour of a T-150.

Edited by Dava_117, 31 August 2018 - 07:23 PM.


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View PostDava_117, on 31 August 2018 - 08:22 PM, said:

You missed probably the fact that it weight as an HT and have the same frontal armour of a T-150.

 

And 40mm side armor so it cant angle at all. That's the exact secret with T-150 - it doesn't have very good front, but because of the side armor, it can angle the armor and it becomes really bouncy. This thing can't.

 

 

I grinded the tank. The hull bounces f*cking nothing. It combines worst traits of mediums and heavies together into terrible abomination that is the worst tier 6 MT and one of the worst tier 6s in the game. It's really bad.



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View Postleggasiini, on 31 August 2018 - 07:44 PM, said:

 

And 40mm side armor so it cant angle at all. That's the exact secret with T-150 - it doesn't have very good front, but because of the side armor, it can angle the armor and it becomes really bouncy. This thing can't.

 

 

I grinded the tank. The hull bounces f*cking nothing. It combines worst traits of mediums and heavies together into terrible abomination that is the worst tier 6 MT and one of the worst tier 6s in the game. It's really bad.

 

Still 40mm sides, while sure not great, aren't even that bad. There are just 2 tier 6 tanks with 122mm guns and 1 130 IIRC. When top tier it can still bully lower tiers.

I may agree that 11-12 HP/ton are lame, but it still one of the best armed med in tier, with higher pen and alpha in class.



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View PostDava_117, on 31 August 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

 

Still 40mm sides, while sure not great, aren't even that bad. There are just 2 tier 6 tanks with 122mm guns and 1 130 IIRC. When top tier it can still bully lower tiers.

I may agree that 11-12 HP/ton are lame, but it still one of the best armed med in tier, with higher pen and alpha in class.

40mm sides are bad, they are completely worthless if not at autobounce angle. It can sidescrape to an extend, but it cannot angle to make the front plate more effective; angling 30 degrees (or less) doesn't make that 90mm effective at all (since it's flat), you reach like 100ish protection which bounces only tier 4s and some pref mm tier 5s. It's worthless against most things you meet. Turret is bad; 130 flat is alright but that's as far as it goes, roof is overmatchable and cupola is pennable by KV-2 HE.

 

Bullying tier 4s that you meet extremely rarely is meaningless. It also has 750 HP, which is average for an actual medium, but for a heavy (this thing is a heavy because of the mobility) it's beyond awful and hurts it's bullying capabilities. It has 240 alpha and decent pen, but when you compare those to heavies, they are absolutely nothing special and it has much worse DPM/handling/accuracy than other heavies. 

 

It has medium tank HP, medium tank gun (sure it has nice alpha but with the gun stats and all its still a medium tank gun), heavy tank mobility (not even heavium since it goes 30-35 on flat, yes, 30-35! and it has acceleration of a superheavy) and armor is decent for medium but it's still closer to medium tank levels; seriously, my average blocked on it is less than 100. It is just shitty combination of worst traits of mediums and heavies and then its given heavy tank alpha but worse gun stats than heavies with that kind of alpha. It's seriously an awful tank and a lot of people agree with that. It's REALLY bad.

 

If it had better mobility, it would be significantly better, since the armor isn't bad for medium (it's still above average no doubt) and the gun is decent as well, but the mobility limits the tank massively and makes both the armor and gun a lot less effective in practice. It's like a tier 6 AMX 65t.


Edited by leggasiini, 31 August 2018 - 08:49 PM.


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View Postleggasiini, on 31 August 2018 - 07:45 PM, said:

40mm sides are bad, they are completely worthless if not at autobounce angle. It can sidescrape to an extend, but it cannot angle to make the front plate more effective; angling 30 degrees (or less) doesn't make that 90mm effective at all (since it's flat), you reach like 100ish protection which bounces only tier 4s and some pref mm tier 5s. It's worthless against most things you meet. Turret is bad; 130 flat is alright but that's as far as it goes, roof is overmatchable and cupola is pennable by KV-2 HE.

 

Bullying tier 4s that you meet extremely rarely is meaningless. It also has 750 HP, which is average for an actual medium, but for a heavy (this thing is a heavy because of the mobility) it's beyond awful and hurts it's bullying capabilities. It has 240 alpha and decent pen, but when you compare those to heavies, they are absolutely nothing special and it has much worse DPM/handling/accuracy than other heavies. 

 

It has medium tank HP, medium tank gun (sure it has nice alpha but with the gun stats and all its still a medium tank gun), heavy tank mobility (not even heavium since it goes 30-35 on flat, yes, 30-35! and it has acceleration of a superheavy) and armor is decent for medium but it's still closer to medium tank levels; seriously, my average blocked on it is less than 100. It is just shitty combination of worst traits of mediums and heavies and then its given heavy tank alpha but worse gun stats than heavies with that kind of alpha. It's seriously an awful tank and a lot of people agree with that. It's REALLY bad.

 

If it had better mobility, it would be significantly better, since the armor isn't bad for medium (it's still above average no doubt) and the gun is decent as well, but the mobility limits the tank massively and makes both the armor and gun a lot less effective in practice. It's like a tier 6 AMX 65t.

 

I couldn't agree more, the speed gimps the tank to the point where armor and gun do not count for much anymore. Armor is decent for a medium but with speed below most heavies of your tier you end up rolling with heavies and get two shoted OR roll behind meds and have a 0 dmg game because you can't keep up with advancing frontline...

 

I gotta say it is a complete role reversal over tier 5 one, sexy sexy speed and mobility linked with aim time of a KV2 which gimped you in most situations.



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I bounced an O-I's 150mm AP shell off my front in the 40TP tonight... Loaded APCR and killed him. :D It's balanced.

 

This thing is as slow as a KV-1... I was driving up to the castle on Himmelsdorf alongside a KV-1, and we kept neck-a-neck until the top. I had a 100% crew and was using the most expensive premium fuel for extra engine power...



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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 31 August 2018 - 08:25 PM, said:

 and was using the most expensive premium fuel for extra engine power...

Try-harding much, eh? :)



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View Postcatatpillar, on 01 September 2018 - 12:22 AM, said:

Try-harding much, eh? :)

 

No? The thing's so slow it basically forces you to use better fuel if you want to actually do some damage in a match. It's as slow as a KV-1 but with a higher speed limit.

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View PostHuggehr, on 31 August 2018 - 07:15 PM, said:

I lazily googled 40tp and "engine power" and couldn't find anybody posting about it, sorry in case I was too lazy. However: WHAT THE ACTUAL FÄÄÄÄÄÄCK WG? 40TP and 45TP are so sluggish that it seems they completely overnerfed the tanks. What is the thought process here? Is it "They have big guns so don't make them too good?" I get that tanks at mid-tier can't be the best tanks in the game, but a tank this slow simply overdoes it in my opinion. Does anybody actually enjoy this gameplay?

 

Have I missed something?

 

I have exactly the same situation, this is kvrwa impossible 11hp/t on medium tank, particularly that he is weakly armoured...ok i agree with them, this tank shouldn't have 20/25 hp/s but 11 this is so wrong, let them give him 17hp/s as it was in supertest

Edited by BaToN_1410, 01 September 2018 - 01:31 AM.


Majoooor #11 Posted 01 September 2018 - 10:29 AM

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11 HP/T its a bad joke, wg no more money from me until it will be fixed

Bennie182 #12 Posted 01 September 2018 - 10:43 AM

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I'm on 25TP and it seems fine even with the stock engine. WG said that 25TP and 40TP would be about the same, so if that is the case, 40TP is probably fine.

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Power to weight isn't everything... 

 

the Amx 65t have 16.9 Power to weight... and its just as slow...if not slower

 

in my opinion they tried to make a transition from mediums to heavies, but this tank obviously lacks mobility, even for a heavy...

 

yet, the armor should be frontally decent again't similar and lower tiers, the hull design is similar to KV russian tanks, i bet that angled plate is trollish 



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View PostKillingJoker, on 01 September 2018 - 12:02 PM, said:

Power to weight isn't everything... 

 

the Amx 65t have 16.9 Power to weight... and its just as slow...if not slower

 

in my opinion they tried to make a transition from mediums to heavies, but this tank obviously lacks mobility, even for a heavy...

 

yet, the armor should be frontally decent again't similar and lower tiers, the hull design is similar to KV russian tanks, i bet that angled plate is trollish 

 

That middle angled plate was green on my marker at every angle I aimed at it. It's actually really weak, I penned it every time.

 

Lol I just looked at the armor model of the 40TP on tanks gg and even though the model is bugged, you can see the front plates if you look at the back of it, since the other plates are bugged aswell...

 

Top front plate is 110mm thick, mid plate (the weak one I mentioned) is 50mm, and the lower front plate is 90mm. Also, the very bottom plate is only 20mm so even though it's angled, most guns can overmatch.


Edited by Tankyouverymuch2, 01 September 2018 - 11:10 AM.


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View PostDava_117, on 31 August 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

 

Still 40mm sides, while sure not great, aren't even that bad. There are just 2 tier 6 tanks with 122mm guns and 1 130 IIRC. When top tier it can still bully lower tiers.

I may agree that 11-12 HP/ton are lame, but it still one of the best armed med in tier, with higher pen and alpha in class.

 

bully low tiers?

 

I actually kept track of the MM i was getting in that aids pos tank:

 

29 games played total

18 games T8 3-5-7

8 games T7 5-10

2 games T7 3-5-7

1 game T6 3-5-7

 

so 90% of the time i was bottom tier and didnt see a single lower tier tank

in 10% of games i saw tanks of lower tier than mine

 

In total out of 29 games there were 26 tanks of lower tier. Thats an average less than 1 tank per game that i could potentially use my armor against. Not to mention several of those were arty.

 

This tank is easily the worst T6 i have played ever in WoT. Sure i played arl v39 in the past, but that past was so long ago that at that point even that crapTD was still playable because back then maps werent such aids as now.

 

So yeah, in 29 games i saw 54 T8s, 130 T7s, so total of 184 tanks of higher tier than mine and i saw in total 26 tanks of lower tier than mine. Not to mention that the armor isnt even useful against t5s and is at best even when perfectly angled still a 50/50 for t5 tanks.

 

 


Edited by Dr_Oolen, 01 September 2018 - 11:23 AM.


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I see there are some opinions in either direction, but at least a few have similar experiences as I do, the 40tp is too slow. I really don't think a medium tank should be this slow in an arcade-style tank game. It completely breaks the experience for me. 100% crew, vents and vent purge along with 105 octane gas does make a difference, it's actually much nicer, but since when do medium tanks _require_ you to use premium fuel for fun?

 

QB has similar thoughts: https://www.youtube....h?v=0qUPh1pLtO8 - not saying everyone should listen to QB or any single CC but at least one CC that quite a few people listen to says the same.



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View PostHuggehr, on 01 September 2018 - 05:34 PM, said:

I see there are some opinions in either direction, but at least a few have similar experiences as I do, the 40tp is too slow. I really don't think a medium tank should be this slow in an arcade-style tank game. 

Compared to the British tier IV light tank, the Valentine, this made up Polish thing is lightning. 



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its an absolute turd, the speed, the gunhandling... i cannot believe the polish community is happy with this pos

 

i mean tier6 is used in cw and other types of clan battles and this thing should be competitive.






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