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largesoftprunes #1 Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:18 PM

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Sorry, but seriously - the HE and HESH premium rounds is out of bloody control. I can deal with the premium AP and APCR, though I very rarely use them, they have a part in this game. What doesn't is sidescraping in an Object 430U and having a damn FV4005 premium HESH round wipe you out for 1,600 - Just what the hell is the *edited* purpose behind the logic here. I might be able to deal with one of those shots splashing me for 500-600 but seriously, penetration from a sidescraping - takes the [edited]piss

Edited by G_Bg_82, 01 September 2018 - 06:05 PM.
edited due to swearing


Dava_117 #2 Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:26 PM

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Do you have a screenshot or the replay of the shot? I'm quite intrested on how a 230pen shell without normalization got trought your side.

This may also help you to prevent similar shot in the future.


Edited by Dava_117, 01 September 2018 - 01:26 PM.


Metalsniper #3 Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:30 PM

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View Postlargesoftprunes, on 01 September 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

 Object 430U 

Do not moan, you play a 430U.........



ZDN #4 Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:34 PM

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FV  has no armor.So its high dmg potential is the only good attribute it has.No problem.

 

And type HE  it can do 1400 dmg.But you do more like 300-600 dmg from a premium HE,whit 1400 potential dmg.No problems



BravelyRanAway #5 Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:38 PM

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Eat more prunes and get it out of your system.

tank276 #6 Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:44 PM

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View Postlargesoftprunes, on 01 September 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

 the  HESH premium rounds 
sidescraping in an Object 430U a
Just what the hell is the f***ing purpose behind the logic here.

 

Maybe thats the logic, the enemy has an option to break a stalemate that a (pretty OP in sidescraping like the) 430 can cause.

Enforcer1975 #7 Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:47 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 01 September 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

Eat more prunes and get it out of your system.

No sprouts? 

 



fighting_falcon93 #8 Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:52 PM

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View Postlargesoftprunes, on 01 September 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

Sorry, but seriously - the HE and HESH premium rounds is out of bloody control. I can deal with the premium AP and APCR, though I very rarely use them, they have a part in this game. What doesn't is sidescraping in an Object 430U and having a damn FV4005 premium HESH round wipe you out for 1,600 - Just what the hell is the f***ing purpose behind the logic here. I might be able to deal with one of those shots splashing me for 500-600 but seriously, penetration from a sidescraping - takes the [edited]piss

 

As a +57% WR player, you should know that if a FV4005 did 1'600 damage to you, it means his HESH shell penetrated. That also means that if he would have shot a regular AP round, you wouldn't have bounced it either.

 

Other than that I don't really see the problem here. You think that premium AP and APCR is fine, but they cause the same kind of problems. You got annoyed that it's useless to sidescrape because he damaged you anyway, but havn't you ever thought that a sidescraping E100 or hulldown Jg.Pz.E100 feels the same way when you shoot premium ammo at them?

 

In my honest opinion, if you're fine with premium ammo, then take it as a man and don't run to the forums and complain when you got the same bullcrap ammo thrown at you.


Edited by fighting_falcon93, 01 September 2018 - 02:07 PM.


largesoftprunes #9 Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:53 PM

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I quit the battle and with xvm it normally gets WoT to crash right now, I went into another game and only the last replay is held so i dont have a reply of that battle unfortunately

 



Balc0ra #10 Posted 01 September 2018 - 01:53 PM

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View Postlargesoftprunes, on 01 September 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

Object 430U and having a damn FV4005 premium HESH round wipe you out for 1,600 

 

Considering HESH has less pen vs their AP, and still needs to fully pen to do that damage. And if you do sidescrape, you should have 300+ effective armor in your "medium" that would negate most of that and give it 600 damage roll. For HESH to fully pen your side in that tank and roll that high, you need to go at a 60-degree angle or bigger. And that's not sidescraping. That's just showing you side. 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 01 September 2018 - 01:54 PM.


Dava_117 #11 Posted 01 September 2018 - 02:54 PM

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View Postlargesoftprunes, on 01 September 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

I quit the battle and with xvm it normally gets WoT to crash right now, I went into another game and only the last replay is held so i dont have a reply of that battle unfortunately

 

 

Well, in this case, apart from suggesting to enable all replays recording for future questions, we can just try some hypotesis. As Balc0ra said, if he penned your side, you probably were overangling a lot. Remember also that HE expload externally if it hit external modules or spaced armour, so he must have hit your side armour directly. This, again, means he could see it trough your track space, ence overangling again.

There is also 2 others options I can think too:

1) while coming back to shoot you showed a bit of your soft and almost unangled LFP

2) the FV was close enought to shoot down on your 30mm hull roof. 

Hope this may help to understand what happened and how to prevent it from happening again. :)


Edited by Dava_117, 01 September 2018 - 02:56 PM.


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View Postlargesoftprunes, on 01 September 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

Sorry, but seriously - the HE and HESH premium rounds is out of bloody control. I can deal with the premium AP and APCR, though I very rarely use them, they have a part in this game. What doesn't is sidescraping in an Object 430U and having a damn FV4005 premium HESH round wipe you out for 1,600 - Just what the hell is the f***ing purpose behind the logic here. I might be able to deal with one of those shots splashing me for 500-600 but seriously, penetration from a sidescraping - takes the [edited]piss

 

I assume this must happen a lot to you for you to feel it was worth a forum post and not just a case of it happened exactly once for which the most obvious answer to how is because you screwed up?

fallenkezef #13 Posted 01 September 2018 - 05:22 PM

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I prefer AP in my 183mm anyway.

DeadLecter #14 Posted 01 September 2018 - 05:39 PM

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First of all, Shitbarn rarely pens anything with HESH. 

Second, This HESH and HE rounds are tie breakers. Like you said it, you are sidescraping in your 430U or hull down in you S.Conq. Well that FV4005 is the tank that makes you think twice before poking around. 

Third, Shitbarn has a nice gun but thats all it has. No accuracy, No armor and no camo. On the other hand your 430U has armor, mobility, camo, nice alpha and dpm. If there is one tank that needs nerfing it's 430U not shitbarn.

Edit: Today on Glacier I was driving my Grille 15 and shot a 277 for full HP and killed him by blowing up his ammo rack. Imagine that, 2200 dmg in 1 shot. Do you think he should come to the forum and start a petition to nerf Grille 15?


Edited by DeadLecter, 01 September 2018 - 06:02 PM.


shikaka9 #15 Posted 01 September 2018 - 05:41 PM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 01 September 2018 - 05:39 PM, said:

First of all, Shitbarn rarely pens anything with HESH. 

Which is why i mainly use HE. You get similar results for a fraction of the cost and if they pen it's a bonus. 



sgtYester #17 Posted 01 September 2018 - 07:21 PM

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u play a MEDIUM!!! like a have cause its blatantly op.   The enemy should not need to use prem hesh to rek you.

 

and yes FV183/FV4005/type5 are MADE to counter stupid op russian armor.



fallenkezef #18 Posted 01 September 2018 - 07:30 PM

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From all the whines you'd think we where back to the days where my FV183 could use prem to,pen the lower plate of an E100, set fire and kill it with that first shot.

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View Postlargesoftprunes, on 01 September 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Sorry, but seriously - the HE and HESH premium rounds is out of bloody control. I can deal with the premium AP and APCR, though I very rarely use them, they have a part in this game. What doesn't is sidescraping in an Object 430U and having a damn FV4005 premium HESH round wipe you out for 1,600 - Just what the hell is the *edited* purpose behind the logic here. I might be able to deal with one of those shots splashing me for 500-600 but seriously, penetration from a sidescraping - takes the [edited]piss

 

Working as intended with RNG and WG proffit counter..

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View Postlargesoftprunes, on 01 September 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

Sorry, but seriously - the HE and HESH premium rounds is out of bloody control. I can deal with the premium AP and APCR, though I very rarely use them, they have a part in this game. What doesn't is sidescraping in an Object 430U and having a damn FV4005 premium HESH round wipe you out for 1,600 - Just what the hell is the *edited* purpose behind the logic here. I might be able to deal with one of those shots splashing me for 500-600 but seriously, penetration from a sidescraping - takes the [edited]piss

 

If your stupid obj 430u  wouldnt have 340+mm thick frontal armor , they wont use Gold.. , also your turret is full RED for most shells , so deal with it.




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