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WindSplitter1 #1 Posted 02 September 2018 - 02:38 PM

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One thing you probably noticed in the Polish vehicles, until Tier VIII, is that the position for the Driver Assistant/Radio Operator has been ommited.

 

In tanks like the Chaffee, they usually had the Loader in that position when travelling and then he would move to the fighting compartment. Only when the situation wills it, there would be a fifth dedicated member.* I suspect this is the case as there isn't a Radio Man on higher Tier PL vehicles and it would be rather pointless to grind crew skills for a member you won't have further use.

 

With that said, this rule (if I can call it that) doesn't apply to other vehicles (Chaffee itself, Type 64, Pudel & Co.), where you're stuck with the extra crew member, that if you have no intention of grinding other lines, you will be stuck with.

 

This is not a rant or whatever. As I suspect nothing will be done in those cases. But in future occasions, ommitting the said position would be welcomed. As it is not needed.

 

 

 

 

 

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VarzA #2 Posted 02 September 2018 - 02:51 PM

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The task is on the loader i think.

WindSplitter1 #3 Posted 02 September 2018 - 02:56 PM

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View PostVarzA, on 02 September 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

The task is on the loader i think.

 

My thesis makes absolute sense then... and WG's decision to omit the position.

FizzleMcSnizzle #4 Posted 02 September 2018 - 03:13 PM

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I am sensing a definite Polish bias, certainly where I live. No one gets their car washed by the Indian outfit anymore. Polish car washing tactics confirmed OP.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #5 Posted 02 September 2018 - 03:21 PM

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View PostFizzleMcSnizzle, on 02 September 2018 - 03:13 PM, said:

I am sensing a definite Polish bias, certainly where I live. No one gets their car washed by the Indian outfit anymore. Polish car washing tactics confirmed OP.

 

 Indeed. Damn those Polish and their good work ethic.

Homer_J #6 Posted 02 September 2018 - 03:28 PM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 02 September 2018 - 02:56 PM, said:

 

My thesis makes absolute sense then... and WG's decision to omit the position.

 

Was the position there in real life?

 

Generally the radio operator role is used in game where there was a dedicated radio operator or a crew member with no other in game role such as machine gunners.

 

The 25TP seems to have broken this rule though, it should really have two radio operators like the T-28 does.


Edited by Homer_J, 02 September 2018 - 03:34 PM.


WindSplitter1 #7 Posted 02 September 2018 - 03:33 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 02 September 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

 

Was the position there in real life?

 

Generally the radio operator role is used in game where there was a dedicated radio operator or a crew member with no other in game role such as machine gunners.

 

Yes, that is the example I gave on the Chaffee. It didn't always had a dedicated radio man. But when a full complement was possible, it did.

 

In other cases (machine gunners as you stated) the most obvious choice is to make them radio operators for filler stuff. Which is reasonable enough I guess. Though I would simply omit the position.



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View PostWindSplitter1, on 02 September 2018 - 02:33 PM, said:

In other cases (machine gunners as you stated) the most obvious choice is to make them radio operators for filler stuff. Which is reasonable enough I guess. Though I would simply omit the position.

 

Omit the position and you'd get multiple threads complaining that it's unfair bias because there was a crew member there in reality and you could retrain them to something else to use that valuable crew xp. Sure, that costs far too much gold to do it regularly but many of this playerbase would rather complain about the game than enjoy it for what it is.

 

Or, and I've just thought of this, reeeeeeeeeeealism. :P



Tom_Deekanarry #9 Posted 02 September 2018 - 06:33 PM

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One thing I have wondered about is the xp are spread across the crew, so it will take longer to gain perks on a crew of 3 over a crew of 5 for instance?

 

Have I got that right?



Aikl #10 Posted 02 September 2018 - 06:57 PM

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View PostTom_Deekanarry, on 02 September 2018 - 05:33 PM, said:

One thing I have wondered about is the xp are spread across the crew, so it will take longer to gain perks on a crew of 3 over a crew of 5 for instance?

 

Have I got that right?

 

Kind of. Takes longer to get two skills each on a three-man crew than one skill each on a five-man crew. They still earn experience at the same rate, but the required experience for each skill isn't constant/linear. Skill #1 requires ~210k. #2 twice that, and so on. That's the main reason why female/'Berlin'/zero-skill crews are so valuable - skill #2 costs ~210k instead of ~420k.

 

When you're using accelerated crew training, you'll gain experience at a faster rate with a smaller crew, i.e. ACT provides 33% faster training for a three-man crew, 25% for a four-man crew and so on. It's not a huge loss to have a loader as a radio operator - he only has one really useful skill.

 

(On a side note, you can potentially get away with one radio well-trained radio operator per nation. Just make sure he has the common skills as well as 'signal boosting' in case you're using a low-tier tank with a crummy radio.)


Edited by Aikl, 02 September 2018 - 06:59 PM.


Brodie_ #11 Posted 02 September 2018 - 09:02 PM

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Polish Bias?
Not experienced that so far...
Liking the tier 7 but it is not strong!
Plus after watching Dakilzor on his live stream trying to 3 mark the tier 10...
I am certain there is none!

Hedgehog1963 #12 Posted 02 September 2018 - 11:26 PM

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RockyRoller #13 Posted 02 September 2018 - 11:34 PM

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The Poles opted not to have radio because get two or more with a radio you'd never be able to shut em up.



Cobra6 #14 Posted 03 September 2018 - 07:55 AM

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T10 light tanks like the T-100LT say "Hi!" where they suddenly go from 4 members to 3 for absolutely no reason.....

 

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