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Where and when was the Strv 103B buffed?


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PoIestar #1 Posted 02 September 2018 - 08:14 PM

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This afternoon I was playing my T-55A when I encountered a Strv 103B. Now I'm not somebody who loves goldspamming but he was the most dangerous target and to have any hope of penning him, I loaded the HEAT.

HEAT used to be quite effective against the buggers because reasons. Meaning that you can hit it anywhere with 100 mm HEAT and it will overmatch and pen. But it didn't, only 2 of 5 shots penned, with the 2 probably hitting the cupola. The three that hit the sloped armor: ricochet.

 

Okay, bad luck happens. Now I was facing off against one in my WZ-111 5A. 130 mm gun so I don't even have to load special treats to overmatch his armor. Face-offing against a 121mm+ gun is pointless in a Strv.

 

Except he got away with only 2 hits from me and killing me entirely. Wanna know why? Because my 130 mm gun ricocheted round after round on his 40 mm of armor. I could NOT overmatch his armor.

 

I checked tanks.gg and it says something interesting: the middle sections next to the gun on the Strv 103B are 50 mm thick, with spots of even 60 mm. The entire side parts are spaced armor, meaning the 40 mm of armor is a single strip on the gun part.

 

 

This is a GIANT buff to the tank. It's a tough bugger to pen now, because only the cupola and the tiny strip around the gun are the only places you can pen it. That's a pretty gamechanging buff, considering how OP it was when they removed the triple overmatch when it was released on test. I think the Strv was fine, but now it's becoming more and more close to being OP/broken.

 

Was this announced? Did I just miss it? It's pretty big if you ask me.



Desyatnik_Pansy #2 Posted 02 September 2018 - 08:16 PM

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If I go back to 9.17 On tanks.gg (when Swedish tanks were introduced?), it'e the same, so it didn't get changed at all?

pathed91 #3 Posted 02 September 2018 - 08:16 PM

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I think it was like that ever since it was released

4nt #4 Posted 02 September 2018 - 08:18 PM

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Maybe server-client had lag and you hit the mesh screens?

Brodie_ #5 Posted 02 September 2018 - 08:20 PM

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It has a fence of steel bars over it's upper hull to stop heat...
Maybe you forgot about that?
Only heat to the lower plate works!
You gotta shoot it in the right place...

kaneloon #6 Posted 02 September 2018 - 08:22 PM

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Yeah read wot wiki :

Upper front plate is 50mm thick in most places and thus much harder to penetrate than earlier Swedish tanks. Also comes with front grills that can protect frontal HEAT shots.

 

Anyway I don't think you can pen one frontally with any t55a shell.

And it will destroy you easily with its rof.


Edited by kaneloon, 02 September 2018 - 08:24 PM.


PoIestar #7 Posted 02 September 2018 - 08:25 PM

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View Postkaneloon, on 02 September 2018 - 08:22 PM, said:

Anyway I don't think you can pen one frontally with any t55a shell.

Weird how I managed to do that always until now.



FluffyRedFox #8 Posted 02 September 2018 - 08:32 PM

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View PostPoIestar, on 02 September 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

 Meaning that you can hit it anywhere with 100 mm HEAT and it will overmatch and pen

:bajan:



Dava_117 #9 Posted 02 September 2018 - 08:36 PM

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View Postkaneloon, on 02 September 2018 - 08:22 PM, said:

Yeah read wot wiki :

Upper front plate is 50mm thick in most places and thus much harder to penetrate than earlier Swedish tanks. Also comes with front grills that can protect frontal HEAT shots.

 

 

 

Not only HEAT, sadly. Thanks to the 10 caliber rule, most of the upper part shielded by the grid can also absorb AP and APCR. Try with the 183mm AP. The whole upper third is basically a uniform *absorbed*.



UrQuan #10 Posted 02 September 2018 - 09:31 PM

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A small note: HEAT doesn't have an overmatch rule, never had it. It's the trade-off for the very shallow autobounce angle it has (85 degrees). This means that if the swedish TD has his upper armor flat enough, HEAT can bounce him; irrelevant of caliber or penning power.

AP & APCR however do have the overmatch rule & hence can be more effective on the Swedish TD's at times (when your caliber is more then 3 times their armor thickness ofc, else autobounce)

 

Edit: As pointed out above, that fence does act as spaced armor, so there's that too to consider.

 

Strv 103B didn't got any recent changes from what I recall.


Edited by UrQuan, 02 September 2018 - 11:20 PM.


Warzey #11 Posted 02 September 2018 - 09:49 PM

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103B did not receive any changes since it was released to the live server. With HEAT shells you can penetrate whole LFP, but due to shield at the front HEAT usually ineffective against UFP. On the other hand when we talk abou AP and APCR shells, if you have 121 mm caliber or higher you can go through LFP pretty much anywhere, with UFP its a different story, you can go through 40 mm strip of armor around the gun and the very beginning of the pike (place where the HEAT shield is mounted). 

 



lime_vortep #12 Posted 02 September 2018 - 10:16 PM

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Just yesterday I faced it with my JgPz E100. Face to face I aimed and shot...and bounced. 299mm pen, and it bounced. He took me about 1500 damage before I reloaded to hit him again. 

 

It is very tough. I love my strv 103 0 and I have the 103B unlocked for ages, but I don't have the silver to buy it. 



Geno1isme #13 Posted 03 September 2018 - 08:30 AM

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You're probably confusing the 103B with the 103-0. The latter has 40mm of armor, so can be overmatched by 122mm+ guns. The T10 version could only be overmatched by 152mm guns since release.

leggasiini #14 Posted 03 September 2018 - 08:44 AM

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Tier 10 Strv has never been changed since 9.17 was released.

 

That being said, it has much better UFP than any other Swedish TD. You can't just HEAT spam through it, you need to go for LFP or the 40mm area around the gun (and somehow avoid spaced armor).






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