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gav00 #1 Posted 04 September 2018 - 07:49 PM

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How are new players supposed to learn anything when they are playing against 90% sealclubbers?

There are so many things WG could do to help new players. As a recently returned player, I find myself completely outclassed, I dread to think what it is like for someone who is brand new.

 

Have WG given up completely on newcomers?

 

  • There are far too many broken, OP or overly weak vehicles within the first 4/5 tiers of the game. There is almost no balance at all.
  • The sheer amount of sealclubbers mean the pace of low tier games is much higher than it really should be, slowing down as you tier up.
  • Most of the maps are so old and well-learnt by the playerbase that a slight wrong move can end your game immediately and there is no way to explore the maps on your own.
  • Why even allow consumables at low tier? It just feeds the veterans.
  • Oh and that low tier map (i forget the name) where you both start on a slope facing each other is abysmal and broken.

 

If I only had low tier tanks to play, I would stop. The only way to play seems to be in higher tiers where there is at least some balance and an arse in a PZ2J or whatever can't just run through and kill half your flank without stopping.

 

Should WG be doing more to help/attract newcomers?

My personal opinion is obvious.

 

 


Edited by gav00, 04 September 2018 - 07:50 PM.


Bordhaw #2 Posted 04 September 2018 - 07:55 PM

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View Postgav00, on 04 September 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

How are new players supposed to learn anything when they are playing against 90% sealclubbers?

There are so many things WG could do to help new players. As a recently returned player, I find myself completely outclassed, I dread to think what it is like for someone who is brand new.

 

Should WG be doing more to help/attract newcomers?

My personal opinion is obvious.

 

 

 

WG give them a free Tier 6 tank of the players choice then they free XP to Tier 7  and are rubbish and leave the game....



cellaman7 #3 Posted 04 September 2018 - 07:59 PM

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Playing against "clubbers" helped me become a better player. I still like to play low tiers. It can be fun but I don't play them to try and drive my stats up. As you can see mine are very average but I still like to take out low tiers once in a while.

wsatnutter #4 Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:00 PM

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Swings and roundabouts OP

Homer_J #5 Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:03 PM

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View Postgav00, on 04 September 2018 - 07:49 PM, said:

How are new players supposed to learn anything when they are playing against 90% sealclubbers?

 

 

 

 

They don't.

 

New players are sandboxed as much as the matchmaker can cope with.



cellaman7 #6 Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:13 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 04 September 2018 - 07:03 PM, said:

 

They don't.

 

New players are sandboxed as much as the matchmaker can cope with.

 

7882 games is hardly a new player Homer

Enforcer1975 #7 Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:14 PM

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Well OP you could stop seal clubbing with your battlecount too...

Homer_J #8 Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:18 PM

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View Postcellaman7, on 04 September 2018 - 08:13 PM, said:

 

7882 games is hardly a new player Homer

 

I had assumed someone with that battle count wasn't campaigning for themselves.

 

I can't believe someone with 8k battles, no matter how rusty they are expects to be kept away from other experienced players.  That would be one of the lamest things I've read.



Erwin_Von_Braun #9 Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:27 PM

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View Postcellaman7, on 04 September 2018 - 06:59 PM, said:

Playing against "clubbers" helped me become a better player. I still like to play low tiers. It can be fun but I don't play them to try and drive my stats up. As you can see mine are very average but I still like to take out low tiers once in a while.

 

Pz1c anyone?

Possibly the finest Tier III of them all, in terms of pure giggle factor:child:



gav00 #10 Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:42 PM

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View Postcellaman7, on 04 September 2018 - 08:13 PM, said:

 

7882 games is hardly a new player Homer

 

As I said, im a returning player, not a new one.

View PostEnforcer1975, on 04 September 2018 - 08:14 PM, said:

Well OP you could stop seal clubbing with your battlecount too...

As a returning player there are new tech trees i wish to advance, namely the swedish, italian and now polish. I only play the low tier battles required to tier them up. I do not own any sealclubbing vehicles. Also like i said, i get outplayed often.

 

Let me make this clear, I made this post with new players in mind, not myself.


Edited by gav00, 04 September 2018 - 08:43 PM.


Homer_J #11 Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:47 PM

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View Postgav00, on 04 September 2018 - 08:42 PM, said:

 

Also like i said, i get outplayed often.

 

And to be fair, that's nothing to do with you having been away for a while.

 

New players don't meet experienced ones, so you don't need to campaign any longer.



WindSplitter1 #12 Posted 04 September 2018 - 10:02 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 04 September 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

New players don't meet experienced ones

 

They don't?

Homer_J #13 Posted 05 September 2018 - 08:32 AM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 04 September 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

 

They don't?

 

The mm tries to keep new players separate.

 

Of course it doesn't know who is a genuine newbie and who is a reroll, and if there simply aren't enough new players in the queue then obviously it can't otherwise it would have to tell new players they just can't play, which is even worse than mixing them with players they might learn something from.


Edited by Homer_J, 05 September 2018 - 08:32 AM.


Sunshinetrooper #14 Posted 05 September 2018 - 08:45 AM

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View Postgav00, on 04 September 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

How are new players supposed to learn anything when they are playing against 90% sealclubbers?

There are so many things WG could do to help new players. As a recently returned player, I find myself completely outclassed, I dread to think what it is like for someone who is brand new.

 

Have WG given up completely on newcomers?

 

  • There are far too many broken, OP or overly weak vehicles within the first 4/5 tiers of the game. There is almost no balance at all.
  • The sheer amount of sealclubbers mean the pace of low tier games is much higher than it really should be, slowing down as you tier up.
  • Most of the maps are so old and well-learnt by the playerbase that a slight wrong move can end your game immediately and there is no way to explore the maps on your own.
  • Why even allow consumables at low tier? It just feeds the veterans.
  • Oh and that low tier map (i forget the name) where you both start on a slope facing each other is abysmal and broken.

 

If I only had low tier tanks to play, I would stop. The only way to play seems to be in higher tiers where there is at least some balance and an arse in a PZ2J or whatever can't just run through and kill half your flank without stopping.

 

Should WG be doing more to help/attract newcomers?

My personal opinion is obvious.

 

 

 

I'd assume that if WOT playerbase declines massively, enough that its a concern to WG, they will do things simliar to WoS; first games are against bots, so you are the seal clubber and not put off and other tactics such as, having 100% crew from the start. Until then, I think your comments aren't required.

Tiddy #15 Posted 05 September 2018 - 09:19 AM

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Playing WoT for the first time is probably like the beginning of "Gothic 1".

You are thrown into an unkown area with little knowledge or equipment to yourself and the first people you encounter greet you with a punch to your face.

 

But hey, it can only go up from there, right?



Coldspell #16 Posted 05 September 2018 - 09:52 AM

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Don't they get x amount of battles vs bots where they gain exp, then they have noob protection MM tier I-III. The game doesn't really explain it well and I suspect many of them rush up tier to tier IV/V and break their noob protection.

 



Edweird #17 Posted 05 September 2018 - 10:31 AM

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 04 September 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

 

Pz1c anyone?

Possibly the finest Tier III of them all, in terms of pure giggle factor:child:

 

Until it meets my T127 and auto bounce commences, 60 silver shells means i can easily down any tier 4 i come across i get special satisfaction taking down over confident Matilda drivers.

 

But the Op does have point here, but then this is a fairly old game and therefore, there are bound to be many highly experienced players.

 

I doubt anyone starting this game anew these days could get good stats.

 

I remember even back 2014 complaining in game saying to mine and the other teams that they all had a 2 year head start over me.

 

Its just the nature of online gaming. 

 

 

 


Edited by discontinued, 05 September 2018 - 10:39 AM.


Robbie_T #18 Posted 05 September 2018 - 12:43 PM

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View PostBordhaw, on 04 September 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

 

WG give them a free Tier 6 tank of the players choice then they free XP to Tier 7  and are rubbish and leave the game....

 

Wait what???? since when........

What Bs is that........

Explains alot why i see tier 6 in battle with only a few games under the belt.

About the new players...like they dont know there seal clubbers around....every game has them .....nothing new.

Me personally dont like the lower tiers...so wont play them as much

 



ramram70 #19 Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:04 PM

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View Postdiscontinued, on 05 September 2018 - 11:31 AM, said:

 

Until it meets my T127 and auto bounce commences, 60 silver shells means i can easily down any tier 4 i come across i get special satisfaction taking down over confident Matilda drivers.

 

 

 

 

 

Taking down over confident Matilda drivers? I don't know who is over confident here?

 

 



Edweird #20 Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:32 PM

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My confidence comes from pressing button 2




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