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catatpillar #1 Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:00 PM

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9:05 minute of the battle.
This just happened to me and i wonder am i missing something or he landed a completely random blind shot? The odds for the second are pretty darn low.

Happened at the end of the game, when i stood static for just 1-2 seconds, i remained unspotted till the very end of the game. 

Could it be 6th sense fault or something else? I watched the replay and i don't see enemy tanks in view range that can spot me by the time the shot landed. Even after the shot, enemy tanks still not looking towards my position.

 

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Homer_J #2 Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:07 PM

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View Postcatatpillar, on 06 September 2018 - 02:00 PM, said:


This just happened to me and i wonder am i missing something or he landed a completely random blind shot? The odds for the second are pretty darn low.

 

 

Low but not zero.

 

So, what you are suggesting is something virtually impossible is more likely than something simply very unlikely?  Great logic you have there.



Balc0ra #3 Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:10 PM

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First off.. there is no cheat that can tell your position to his client in real time.

 

But... you did knock over a tree parking there. Backed off and drove forward again parking in front of that tree. He could simply have aimed at that. As it's more or less the only place for you to be due to lack of map control. And he could have anticipated a spot up there when the ELC pushed up and saw the tree and aimed on it. 



catatpillar #4 Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:11 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 06 September 2018 - 01:07 PM, said:

Low but not zero.

Ofc it is not zero. It is around a number of this type - 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance.

I will prolly win the lottery without even buying a ticket more likely than to precisely land a completely random shot in the woods and hit a tank that haven't been spotted whole game.



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View Postcatatpillar, on 06 September 2018 - 02:11 PM, said:

Ofc it is not zero. It is around a number of this type - 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance.

I will prolly win the lottery without even buying a ticket more likely than to precisely land a completely random shot in the woods and hit a tank that haven't been spotted whole game.

 

Funny thing is I have done it at least twice.  And I don't mean winning the lottery.

Balc0ra #6 Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:23 PM

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View Postcatatpillar, on 06 September 2018 - 02:11 PM, said:

Ofc it is not zero. It is around a number of this type - 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance.

I will prolly win the lottery without even buying a ticket more likely than to precisely land a completely random shot in the woods and hit a tank that haven't been spotted whole game.

 

When you don't know over anything and is not spotted? Sure. But when you know over a tree and someone looks that way. It's around 50%. 

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When playing TD or arty (yes, I do) I oftentimes fire at 'suspicious bushes', or a patch with fallen trees. Or a track of destroyed fence. Or a moving wreck.

And when I dont see an impact on the ground, I might even fire again. Sometimes even resulting in a kill of a totaly unspotted tank.

So definitely way more than 0%. 

Probably more than 1%.

Might even be 100%, since the alternative is not possible (afaik). 

 

 

 

 



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View Postcatatpillar, on 06 September 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

I will prolly win the lottery without even buying a ticket more likely than to precisely land a completely random shot in the woods and hit a tank that haven't been spotted whole game.

 

When I play arty, if I haven't got a decent target and I see a tree go over or a wall break, I'll shoot it and about half the time I'll damage something. If the O-Ho had sixth sense, which is likely for a tier 8 tank, he'll know he's spotted if he wasn't already and seeing a tree go over makes it trivial to connect the two.

 

Hell, plenty of people get damage from blind-firing the bushes on Prok. where lights like to hang out without them giving any indication other than sixth sense. Knocking over a tree is like flashing up a neon 'shoot here' target. Long story short, don't knock over trees if you don't want to be blind-shot.



catatpillar #9 Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:35 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 06 September 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

 

When you don't know over anything and is not spotted? Sure. But when you know over a tree and someone looks that way. It's around 50%. 

 

For sure that amazing unicum O-ho looked that way and expected me to be there...
All the blind shots i ate for those 19k battles came from red and orange players. But at least i've been spotted at some point in the previous cases and they had simple clue where to look. You just can't convince me he aimed there and expected to land a blind shot...

Edited by catatpillar, 06 September 2018 - 02:36 PM.


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Haven't bothered watching the replay because others have said you knocked a tree down. You might just as well have posted a big "Shoot here" sign for anyone paying attention.

 

You are however a complete donkey for doing something so blatantly obvious and then still having the lack of self-awareness of your own actions to accuse another player of cheating.



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View Postcatatpillar, on 06 September 2018 - 02:11 PM, said:

Ofc it is not zero. It is around a number of this type - 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance.

 

So basically your tank is less than a pixel in size? Because the shell has to fly somewhere within its aim circle, and there aren't  10 40    pixels within the aim circle; heck, the entire map is significantly smaller than that (by several orders of magnitude)

 

Does that mean that it is actually you that uses some tiny tank cheat (all shots will miss you unless the hit that single pixel that defines your position)??

 

Do we now need to report you or can you go back to a normal discussion now?



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When i see a tree get knocked down and it's the only tree there i shoot that spot a couple times. Sometimes teammates start blind shooting the area too and more often than not either a tank pops up trying shoot back or pops up because it's dead.

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View PostOrkbert, on 06 September 2018 - 01:37 PM, said:

 

So basically your tank is less than a pixel in size? Because the shell has to fly somewhere within its aim circle, and there aren't  10 40    pixels within the aim circle; heck, the entire map is significantly smaller than that (by several orders of magnitude)

 

Not only the map is in pixels... the sky also... Your calculations are wrong. 



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View Postcatatpillar, on 06 September 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

Not only the map is in pixels... the sky also... Your calculations are wrong. 

 

No they aren't. The game client isn't even large enough for that kind of number you seem to suggest.

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View Postcatatpillar, on 06 September 2018 - 02:35 PM, said:

 

For sure that amazing unicum O-ho looked that way and expected me to be there...
All the blind shots i ate for those 19k battles came from red and orange players. But at least i've been spotted at some point in the previous cases and they had simple clue where to look. You just can't convince me he aimed there and expected to land a blind shot...

 

Again... your team had zero map control at that point. The only place you could be as you even lost the hill behind you just left 20 sec before that. If you are not with the meds. It's the only place on the map with cover that you can yet to hide in. ​So again, he looking that way when the ELC was going up there to see a tree falling over. Not unlikely. 

 

 



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View PostOrkbert, on 06 September 2018 - 02:37 PM, said:

 

 

Do we now need to report you or can you go back to a normal discussion now?

There was no normal discussion to be had from the moment the OP wrote the thread title.

 

He already decided that the other player was cheating and isn't going to accept any logical explanation.



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View PostEnforcer1975, on 06 September 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

the only tree there

first it is not the ONLY tree there

second i moved forward a bit after that, before that i stood there for couple of seconds and not a single shot has been heard...
 

View PostBalc0ra, on 06 September 2018 - 01:43 PM, said:

 

Again... your team had zero map control at that point. The only place you could be as you even lost the hill behind you just left 20 sec before that. If you are not with the meds. It's the only place on the map with cover that you can yet to hide in. ​So again, he looking that way when the ELC was going up there to see a tree falling over. Not unlikely. 

 

 

third i could be at K0 corner or another bush with the same luck,
even if he assumed my position (which i doubt deeply) there is still a choice which bush to shoot and on that hill they are plenty
so if you have so many variables the chance for precise hit is lower than 1% and close to 0%.

P.s. And i'm not refusing to accept some insight as that troll Homer stated above, just wanna see different opinions about that, but at least some constructive and logical ones, not justifying myths.


Edited by catatpillar, 06 September 2018 - 02:52 PM.


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View Postcatatpillar, on 06 September 2018 - 02:48 PM, said:

third i could be at K0 corner or another bush, even if he assumed my position (which i doubt deeply) there is still a choice which bush to shoot and on that hill they are plenty

so if you have so many variables the chance for precise hit is lower than 1% and close to 0%.

 

Again... You knocked a tree over, someone saw it and aimed at it. It's that simple. It was not a random blind fire at one of the 10 bushes there. They had 13 guns left of their team. You only need one gun aiming there to see that tree. And you can see that falling over in 3rd person mode too, not even aiming there. Then look for the fallen tree and fire. Or is that 99.999999999% unlikely too?

 

You knocked it over. And parked in front of it. They aimed at it. And hit you. That's it. 

 

If you already made up your mind. Why come here to ask? 


Edited by Balc0ra, 06 September 2018 - 03:00 PM.


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View Postcatatpillar, on 06 September 2018 - 02:48 PM, said:

P.s. And i'm not refusing to accept some insight as that troll Homer stated above, just wanna see different opinions about that, but at least some constructive and logical ones, not justifying myths.

 

Myths like cheats?

Homer_J #20 Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:59 PM

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View Postcatatpillar, on 06 September 2018 - 02:48 PM, said:

 not justifying myths.

Myths like hacking the server to reveal unspotted enemy positions?

 

You got hit, it could have been a random shot, it could have been an accidental click, anything is more possible than your preferred explanation.

 

I've killed tanks with completely random shots.  It's not as impossible as you think considering you know the tanks will be on the ground, not flying in the air, not underground, not swimming at the bottom of a lake, and not within 50m of a friendly tank.

 

But you stick with your tin foil hat theory.






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