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_Me_ZatoX_FY_ #1 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:00 PM

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HI,

 

 

i'm wondering if wargaming change the six sence time before it pops up in your screen?

 

Normal it took 3 seconds to get spotted indicator, now it take at least  +4 sec to get the notifications.

 

Does anyone know why/when WG changed this?

 

Kr, Zatox



Bennie182 #2 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:15 PM

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I've had multiple times that it didn't work at all or with delay (more then 3 sec). There's a weird bug on 6th sense.

Dava_117 #3 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:18 PM

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View Post_Me_ZatoX_FY_, on 09 September 2018 - 09:00 PM, said:

HI,

 

 

i'm wondering if wargaming change the six sence time before it pops up in your screen?

 

Normal it took 3 seconds to get spotted indicator, now it take at least  +4 sec to get the notifications.

 

Does anyone know why/when WG changed this?

 

Kr, Zatox

 

How can you measure the time between getting spotted and 6th sense going on? The only indication you're spotted is 6th sense itself...

Edited by Dava_117, 09 September 2018 - 09:18 PM.


Bennie182 #4 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:21 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 09 September 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

How can you measure the time between getting spotted and 6th sense going on? The only indication you're spotted is 6th sense itself...

You can use your own 6th sense, by predicting when being spotted and also I always count for myself.



Nishi_Kinuyo #5 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:22 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 09 September 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

 

How can you measure the time between getting spotted and 6th sense going on? The only indication you're spotted is 6th sense itself...

In obvious situations you can: example, when driving around a corner or other forms of hard cover.

Although in those cases, the smart thing to do is poke out and immediately withdraw until you know it is safe.

Or in the case of bushes on a hill, you fire and withdraw, with the icon pop-up telling you if you were spotted or not.

 

Reacting only when it pops up is typically a bad habit and usually a bit too late to get you back into safety.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 09 September 2018 - 09:24 PM.


Cannes76 #6 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:24 PM

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Sptting checks from the enemy are not instantaneous. Depending on distance it can be quite long before an enemy spots you even if you are within their commanders viewrange.

Dava_117 #7 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:26 PM

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View PostBennie182, on 09 September 2018 - 09:21 PM, said:

You can use your own 6th sense, by predicting when being spotted and also I always count for myself.

 

Ok, but with this method the error is of the same order of magnitude of the measure. Not a reliable measure for few reason:

First, you can just suppose to be spotted, not knowing the exact enemy VR 

Second, both counting yourself and staring a cronometer when you presume get spotted introduce an error we can't neglect.

 

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 09 September 2018 - 09:22 PM, said:

In obvious situations you can: example, when driving around a corner or other forms of hard cover.

Although in those cases, the smart thing to do is poke out and immediately withdraw until you know it is safe.

Or in the case of bushes on a hill, you fire and withdraw, with the icon pop-up telling you if you were spotted or not.

 

Reacting only when it pops up is typically a bad habit and usually a bit too late to get you back into safety.

 

Totally agree on how to use 6th sense. 

The measure still not accurate enought, especially if the spotter tank is undetected and can be on an area wide enought that the different time at wich you get spotted due to trigonometry may be quite different.


Edited by Dava_117, 09 September 2018 - 09:32 PM.


Steve8066 #8 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:38 PM

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View PostBennie182, on 09 September 2018 - 09:15 PM, said:

I've had multiple times that it didn't work at all or with delay (more then 3 sec). There's a weird bug on 6th sense.

 

that bug was introduced with the previous patch and is still here.

kejmo #9 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:41 PM

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View PostSteve8066, on 09 September 2018 - 08:38 PM, said:

 

that bug was introduced with the previous patch and is still here.

 

Bugs introduced in 2011 are still here. 

TheComfyChair #10 Posted 09 September 2018 - 10:51 PM

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Sixth sense : Lightbulb goes off , followed by arty hit, TD hit, crazy ex with blunt instrument hit, top ten song hit , followed by sex scandal and then Nelson Muntz pointing at your wreck shouting "HA HA"

malachi6 #11 Posted 09 September 2018 - 10:57 PM

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View PostBennie182, on 09 September 2018 - 09:21 PM, said:

You can use your own 6th sense, by predicting when being spotted and also I always count for myself.

 

 

And guessing is a totally reliable way of figuring things out?  Not subject to bias or point of view or circumstances?  



Balc0ra #12 Posted 09 September 2018 - 11:06 PM

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View PostBennie182, on 09 September 2018 - 09:21 PM, said:

You can use your own 6th sense, by predicting when being spotted and also I always count for myself.

 

You don't know how overmatch mechanics work. But you know the effective spotting range on enemy tanks, plus items reducing their effective range vs your camo factor manually to figure that out? 

 



Aikl #13 Posted 09 September 2018 - 11:37 PM

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View PostCannes76, on 09 September 2018 - 08:24 PM, said:

Sptting checks from the enemy are not instantaneous. Depending on distance it can be quite long before an enemy spots you even if you are within their commanders viewrange.

 

Wasn't it changed some time ago to give effectively 'real-time' spotting?

 

Regardless, a test in a training room with voice comms should be representative of a random battle - provided that the system's not getting strained and 'lags' on a per-battle basis.



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View PostDava_117, on 09 September 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

 

How can you measure the time between getting spotted and 6th sense going on? The only indication you're spotted is 6th sense itself...

By watching the replay and taking the time to confirm your suspicion or wait until the dog poops it out then watch it. 


Edited by Enforcer1975, 10 September 2018 - 01:54 PM.


Mimos_A #15 Posted 10 September 2018 - 02:26 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 09 September 2018 - 09:26 PM, said:

 

Ok, but with this method the error is of the same order of magnitude of the measure. Not a reliable measure for few reason:

First, you can just suppose to be spotted, not knowing the exact enemy VR 

Second, both counting yourself and staring a cronometer when you presume get spotted introduce an error we can't neglect.

 

20:31 Added after 5 minutes

 

Totally agree on how to use 6th sense. 

The measure still not accurate enought, especially if the spotter tank is undetected and can be on an area wide enought that the different time at wich you get spotted due to trigonometry may be quite different.

 

I've had one instance of it clearly not working properly. One where me and an opponent both drove around a corner, pretty much into each other, shot each other, yet no sixth sense until I poked again to exploit my faster reload. Sure, it's hard to tell sometimes, but this one was pretty obvious.

 

I'll see if I can dig up the replay.


Edited by Mimos_A, 10 September 2018 - 02:27 PM.


Dava_117 #16 Posted 10 September 2018 - 02:32 PM

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View PostMimos_A, on 10 September 2018 - 02:26 PM, said:

 

I've had one instance of it clearly not working properly. One where me and an opponent both drove around a corner, pretty much into each other, shot each other, yet no sixth sense until I poked again to exploit my faster reload. Sure, it's hard to tell sometimes, but this one was pretty obvious.

 

I'll see if I can dig up the replay.

 

that would be nice. If it looks clear enought, it can be the base for a bug report to WG.

Edited by Dava_117, 10 September 2018 - 02:33 PM.


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View PostTheComfyChair, on 09 September 2018 - 10:51 PM, said:

Sixth sense : Lightbulb goes off , followed by arty hit, TD hit, crazy ex with blunt instrument hit, top ten song hit , followed by sex scandal and then Nelson Muntz pointing at your wreck shouting "HA HA"

 

Wrong...

 

the correct order is TD hit tracking you, arty hit, crazy ex with blunt instrument hit, top ten song hit, followed by sex scandal, Nelson Muntz pointing at your wreck shouting "HA HA"  THEN lightbulb goes off.



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Funny how people whine about my prediction when being spotted, while being too stupid to come up with something different.

 

I've played a lot of battles up to tier 6 without 6th sense and this way of playing worked fine for me. Except for the 6th sense skill itself there's nothing that can give the proof of you actually BEING spotted. All you guys can do is complain but using your brain yourself is too D4mn hard. good representation of a big part of the community on the forums you are. only here to try annoy people instead of being constructive.


Edited by Bennie182, 10 September 2018 - 05:56 PM.


Erwin_Von_Braun #19 Posted 10 September 2018 - 06:06 PM

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View Post_Me_ZatoX_FY_, on 09 September 2018 - 08:00 PM, said:

HI,

 

 

i'm wondering if wargaming change the six sence time before it pops up in your screen?

 

Normal it took 3 seconds to get spotted indicator, now it take at least  +4 sec to get the notifications.

 

Does anyone know why/when WG changed this?

 

Kr, Zatox

 

Yep, mine has been rather unpredictable for a while now - sometimes going off far too late, sometimes not at all - most annoying.

Dava_117 #20 Posted 10 September 2018 - 06:22 PM

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View PostBennie182, on 10 September 2018 - 05:52 PM, said:

Funny how people whine about my prediction when being spotted, while being too stupid to come up with something different.

 

I've played a lot of battles up to tier 6 without 6th sense and this way of playing worked fine for me. Except for the 6th sense skill itself there's nothing that can give the proof of you actually BEING spotted. All you guys can do is complain but using your brain yourself is too D4mn hard. good representation of a big part of the community on the forums you are. only here to try annoy people instead of being constructive.

 

We (at least me) have been constructive. I didn't ask you how you measure time and how can you say your spotted to annoy you, but because to prepare a bug report you need hard proof, so numbers.

Mimos_A may find that replay, that is an ideal condition:

proxispotted (so you know exactly when you get spotted) with probable bug in it.

You need something like this: replay with clear spotting and timestamp. Not some random feelings.

Get something like this to make a bug report.


Edited by Dava_117, 10 September 2018 - 07:46 PM.





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