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NoobySkooby #1 Posted 10 September 2018 - 12:41 AM

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I have just this minute unlocked this tank, what can I expect of it and why is it hated so much?

 

So far got the larger engine and bigger gun, well middle one, not the top gun, so running stock near enough.



Desyatnik_Pansy #2 Posted 10 September 2018 - 12:51 AM

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You're sluggish as hell and yet, your armour is generally quite useless (you have a flat 185mm turret front, if you angle your turret even slight your sides are basically autopen even to lower tier guns and your turret roof is overmatchable to 122mm+ guns, you have the obvious lower plate that IIRC Often results in engine damage and even then your upper plate isn't even that good against most same tier guns tbh) so it honestly feels like you'd rather have no armour and some speed instead and then the gun, while IMO Amazing, lacks the alpha to scare anything from just trying to trade with you when they can almost certainly just pen you anyway.

Edited by Desyatnik_Pansy, 10 September 2018 - 12:52 AM.


Baldrickk #3 Posted 10 September 2018 - 12:53 AM

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 10 September 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

I have just this minute unlocked this tank, what can I expect of it and why is it hated so much?

 

So far got the larger engine and bigger gun, well middle one, not the top gun, so running stock near enough.

It's slow,  lower plate is a huge weakspot and 122mm guns overmatch the turret roof. 

Has a nice gun though. 



kaneloon #4 Posted 10 September 2018 - 01:19 AM

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Same as you, still waiting for the last gun. I hope it is really good. But the previous one has a nice rof.

 

What is really strange is that I just have to put 2 shots for about 500 hp to get the 3rd mastery badge ... I got the first without really shining, so the ace must be very very low.



Desyatnik_Pansy #5 Posted 10 September 2018 - 01:26 AM

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View Postkaneloon, on 10 September 2018 - 01:19 AM, said:

Same as you, still waiting for the last gun. I hope it is really good. But the previous one has a nice rof.

 

What is really strange is that I just have to put 2 shots for about 500 hp to get the 3rd mastery badge ... I got the first without really shining, so the ace must be very very low.

 

I remember getting quite a lot of Aces in it with relative ease while I grinded through it, certainly more than I really had in any other tank I can think of. 

RockyRoller #6 Posted 10 September 2018 - 01:40 AM

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why hated? well shattered dreams i suppose as its more a prince than a king against its own tier

 

in real life this monster tier 8 was killing tier 3 to 6 of the allied forces, not russian cold war tanks designed long after Tiger 2s were museum pieces



FizzleMcSnizzle #7 Posted 10 September 2018 - 01:45 AM

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 10 September 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

I have just this minute unlocked this tank, what can I expect of it and why is it hated so much?

 

So far got the larger engine and bigger gun, well middle one, not the top gun, so running stock near enough.

It gets tied down and rogered by made up [edited]communist tanks, that never made it into actual production. 


Edited by FizzleMcSnizzle, 10 September 2018 - 01:47 AM.


Negativvv #8 Posted 10 September 2018 - 01:58 AM

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If you're stuck with the long 8.8cm gun then I recommend taking a lot of gold ammo... It can get you by until you get the top 10.5cm gun.

 

Tiger 2 was my first T8 but it's also the last T8 I've yet to fully grind. Don't see myself doing that anytime soon as the tank is so meh. 



Balc0ra #9 Posted 10 September 2018 - 02:21 AM

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It's kinda in the middle of.. nowhere. As in the Tiger I is a good support tank. As it has great DPM for a HT, as it lacks armor. Tiger P has less DPM as it has thicker armor. If the armor is effective is a different matter. 

 

Tiger II is neither of those two. It has a great gun that can support, but it lacks DPM to be effective at it. And it lacks armor to be effective close up unless it's top tier. And even then it's just most of the time. They either need to buff the armor, or the gun to give it a role. As now it does neither good. Nor is it bad at it. It's just... "meh" at one, and terrible at the other role. 



XxKuzkina_MatxX #10 Posted 10 September 2018 - 02:37 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 10 September 2018 - 03:21 AM, said:

It's kinda in the middle of.. nowhere. As in the Tiger I is a good support tank. As it has great DPM for a HT, as it lacks armor. Tiger P has less DPM as it has thicker armor. If the armor is effective is a different matter. 

 

Tiger II is neither of those two. It has a great gun that can support, but it lacks DPM to be effective at it. And it lacks armor to be effective close up unless it's top tier. And even then it's just most of the time. They either need to buff the armor, or the gun to give it a role. As now it does neither good. Nor is it bad at it. It's just... "meh" at one, and terrible at the other role. 

 

  • Great base accuracy.
  • Great penetration on standard and gold ammo.
  • Good shell velocity.

 

That's what characterize the Tiger 2. Does these traits work in the current wot? NO.

 

Theoretically it needs larger maps and longer battles to fulfill its sniper role.



Hedgehog1963 #11 Posted 10 September 2018 - 04:23 AM

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It is hated  because the people who want nazi tanks to be the best lose their crapwhen it isn't the best.

JocMeister #12 Posted 10 September 2018 - 05:37 AM

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Was a long time since I played it. But ended the grind with a 58% WR which was very good for me at the time.

 

Armour do work if used properly and the Gun is fantastic. This was before the MM destroyed tier 8 though... And IS3 was considered OPed... So quite a long time ago and I dont think time has been kind to the KT. 



doriansky1 #13 Posted 10 September 2018 - 07:28 AM

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It was my first tier 8 tank...and I unlocked in exactly the same day when Defender got released. So I don't have the best memories with it, even if I'm preety sure now I should have better performances.

View PostNoobySkooby, on 10 September 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

what can I expect of it ?

You can expect to research one of the best tier IX HT (E75)...imo that's the best thing about Tiger II :)



HundeWurst #14 Posted 10 September 2018 - 08:17 AM

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I am surprised that nobody here told the OP the cold truth:

The Tiger II is a piece of trash. Yes it is.

 

These days its purpose is to be an exp and HP pinata for about anything it meets. Its so out of date, its like trying to be up to date (hardware wise) with a computer from the early 2000.

 

Its just trash. Nothing good to say here: Its slow, has hardly any armor, and the gun is bad as well (accuracy is a useless stat, penetration is just average, 320 alpha against tier 9 and 10 is a joke, and rate of fire is the one of a dead toaster)


Edited by HundeWurst, 10 September 2018 - 08:01 PM.


VarzA #15 Posted 10 September 2018 - 08:21 AM

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 10 September 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

I have just this minute unlocked this tank, what can I expect of it and why is it hated so much?

 

So far got the larger engine and bigger gun, well middle one, not the top gun, so running stock near enough.

 

You are slow, you are sluggish, you do have a good gun .... also, arty can sometimes pen your sides and ammo rack you (as can other high caliber guns).

 

Also, because it has to be 'historically accurate', turret roof is 40mm, which means it can be overmatched by 122mm guns (even though historically it had a 42mm roof), it's kinda like that historical accuracy that WG has in the description of the 14TP (read that description towards the end), or how the 268 4 gained 25tonnes from the drawing board, and a more powerful engine, because it needed a massive amount of armor. :)


Edited by VarzA, 10 September 2018 - 08:25 AM.


arthurwellsley #16 Posted 10 September 2018 - 08:21 AM

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 09 September 2018 - 11:41 PM, said:

I have just this minute unlocked this tank, what can I expect of it and why is it hated so much?

 

So far got the larger engine and bigger gun, well middle one, not the top gun, so running stock near enough.

 

Not hated, just disappointed.

When it fights IS3's the Tiger II lower plate seems to be right in front of their BL9 which slices through with ease from that angle.

The Tiger II does not really have a strong suit. The rof on the gun is too low, so it cannot be played like a Tiger I. The armour does not work well enough so it cannot be played like a Tiger P. The accuracy is nice, but the low alpha is a handicap as you cannot trade with other heavy tanks.

The Tiger II is just mediocre at everything, and so a general disappointment.

Best part about it is researching the e75 and selling the Tiger II.


Edited by arthurwellsley, 10 September 2018 - 08:23 AM.


adameitas #17 Posted 10 September 2018 - 08:22 AM

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View PostHundeWurst, on 10 September 2018 - 07:17 AM, said:

I am surprised that nobody here told the OP the cold truth:

The Tiger II is a pieace of trash. Yes it is.

 

These days its purpose is to be an exp and HP pinata for about anything it meets. Its so out of date, its like trying to be up to date (hardware wise) with a computer from the early 2000.

 

Its just trash. Nothing good to say here: Its slow, has hardly any armor, and the gun is bad as well (accuracy is a useless stat, penetration is just average, 320 alpha against tier 9 and 10 is a joke, and rate of fire is the one of a dead toaster)

 

this. Back to 2011 or 2013 it was quite a decent tank. How all those tigers are just huge, slow tanks with a lot of HP to farm. And on top of that KT is t8 worst tier to play atm. Damn even amx 65 feels better bc of that 400 alpha..

Enforcer1975 #18 Posted 10 September 2018 - 08:33 AM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 10 September 2018 - 02:37 AM, said:

 

  • Great base accuracy.
  • Great penetration on standard and gold ammo.
  • Good shell velocity.

 

That's what characterize the Tiger 2. Does these traits work in the current wot? NO.

 

Theoretically it needs larger maps and longer battles to fulfill its sniper role.

 

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 10 September 2018 - 02:37 AM, said:

 

  • Great base accuracy.
  • Great penetration on standard and gold ammo.
  • Good shell velocity.

 

That's what characterize the Tiger 2. Does these traits work in the current wot? NO.

 

Theoretically it needs larger maps and longer battles to fulfill its sniper role.

 

Don't have the Tiger II and probably not going to have it in the near future but basically this. Western tanks should have more accuracy and better aimtime over distance compared to eastern tanks then the small map sizes wouldn't be so problematic. 

_6i6_ #19 Posted 10 September 2018 - 09:02 AM

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skooby i played 24 battles(fully grinded) with tiger 2 and havent touched it since...

I also expected it to be on the same level as Tiger I ( a good support/sniper tank)...but it cannot be either in the game's current meta.

I am not gonna use it again till they either make some direct changes to it or they rebalance Tier VIII - it is otherwise useless till then (a pity for such a tank tbh..).

 

btw, i did use it on Frontline as it was my only tier VIII back then, and it was way more succesful(and enjoyable) in the FL maps than the ones for the normal game

 


Edited by _6i6_, 10 September 2018 - 09:10 AM.


CenturionA1 #20 Posted 10 September 2018 - 09:21 AM

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 09 September 2018 - 11:41 PM, said:

I have just this minute unlocked this tank, what can I expect of it and why is it hated so much?

 

So far got the larger engine and bigger gun, well middle one, not the top gun, so running stock near enough.

 

Why its hated so much? cus its not tier 7




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